Was he right?

you can just say you're a failure, user, we won't laugh at you

right

Listen, it's cool that you like being yelled at, and that's probably why you have a thing for being dominated in bed, just don't let it shape your whole life philosophy

>Were you Russian or were you dragon?

but the musicians he created were absolutely elite tier and on the next level of mental toughness

And a lot of them will probably kill themselves before they create something worthwhile, just like that kid he got a call about

It was him who took the folder wasn't it

Yes. The whole point of the folder was to test Neiman.

based, they weren't a garage band and his drummers were fucking divas

he wasn't even that good of a drummer in the end lol

> next level mental toughness
> suicide

that kid fucked up and was a pretender lel

He was right but Shia LaBeouf was in time too.

it was about breaking him down so he could be "better"

liberals hate abuse but eat this kind of shit up.

I didn’t even see the movie but no it’s drums dude chill

No, he wasn't. Truly great artists are maybe 90% self motivated. Maybe they need an initial push to achieve greatness, but they don't need some psychopath breathing down their neck.

Point in case: Beethoven and Mozart. Both of them were musically trained by their fathers at an extremely young age. Were their fathers abusive? There's a very small chance. But in their adult lives they didn't need their fathers throwing chairs at them to write their greatest works.

>Dude so I paid like $50 for this jazz concert and the drummer was so garbage, man. Like he didn't actually know the music!
>Anyways, he yelled at the conductor and then did a sick solo, so well all cried and applauded, we e just knew we saw a legend being born

Neiman was self motivated and his skills came from practicing by himself. He was already a good drummer before melonhead took him in.

This moronic mechanistic view has sadly prevailed in the music business. Modern classical pianists are well oiled soulless automatons that play super fast without ever hitting a wrong note.
The director is a turbopleb that thinks art = sports

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>For every amazing musician
And that's the problem, those faggots thought they were "amazing" just by being there practicing, real skill develops through sacrifice and countless hours of practice, he wanted to create a god tier musician, not just a faggy millenial who knows how to play along. If I'm not mistaken they were playing in competitions with other well known schools, which it might as well be the highest level of competition in terms of music in the world, very few should be allowed to be there and this baldie knows that.

>Were their fathers abusive? There's a very small chance.
Mozart's dad was brutal, what the fuck are you even talking about

This. Fletcher was just a gigantic asshole for no real reason.

Yes, spiderman was a sketchy guy and likely a criminal

bruh cool it on the anti-semitism.

soi

>acting like a complete maniac and literally sabotaging a student teaches a good lesson
Nah. This movie is just ridiculous. The first time I tried to watch it, I turned it off after the car crash scene. So fucking stupid.

gotta break a few eggs...

Yes, the niggers WERE up to something.

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I mean, you did finish it, right? It's up to the audience to decide if Fletcher was right or not. Neiman was desperate to be like his idols, so he tolerated the abuse.

He was wrong because he was training a musician not a fucking athlete.

Only faggots fetishize the "technical mastery" of music. A song doesn't become better simply because it's harder to play, it's fucking nonsense. Harder = Better is one of the most cancerous mentalities in any form of art.

>Only faggots fetishize the "technical mastery" of music
So you have shit taste, so I should just draw a fan fiction of One Piece with my basic drawing skills and call it the greatest manga of all time because Harder does not equal better, this is great

One Piece is not in the top 1000 most difficult to create anime, I have no idea what you're even talking about

Fletcher knew that Andrew needed to be pushed. He saw that he had talent but had no confidence. He ignited a spark in Andrew. He knew Andrew was on the path of becoming a failed artist like his father. The point of to the movie is to acknowledge what it takes to become great. An great artist has to be better than their peers in every form.

>Harder = Better is one of the most cancerous mentalities in any form of art
remember that, every form of art is now the same

Are you retarded? He said that harder does not mean better. That doesn't mean better doesn't exist. A song could require the singer to scream for 10 hours straight, which would be a very difficult task, but it wouldn't make for a good song.

>A song could require the singer to scream for 10 hours straight,
That's not what music is about, singers who have a wide vocal range have to practice like a motherfucker to get there, why is this so hard to understand? If you want to get good, you have to practice, if someone practices more than you, he will surely be better, so you need to practice even more, and so on.

Not that user but do you have an actual learning impediment? How hard is it to understand that for art, effort put in does not necessarily equal to quality? There's probably a million singers out there who practice like a motherfucker, but at the end of the day their voice and musical talent just isn't up to par, and that is something you can't learn in a book or train for.

>There's probably a million singers out there who practice like a motherfucker, but at the end of the day their voice and musical talent just isn't up to par
>practice does nothing bro

what a mediocre piece of human being, go on and be miserable in life

I'm sorry real life is not some shonen anime user (although I'm not even saying hard work isn't important as fuck to improve your craft dipshit). This argument isn't even about hard work vs talent you fucking mongoloid, it's about how when it comes to art, something taking more effort or longer to do does not necessarily make the product better, because artistic quality is not something that can be brute forced.

no, he was just an asshole
even he was surprised at the end that it actually worked

Oda's style is not too complex either.

Good, but not GREAT.

>Were their fathers abusive?
yes, they were just as bad as Fletcher, probably worse, but towards 6 year old kids instead of college kids.

Anyone with a educated ear can spot that he was on his time. That scene was about him needing to trust himself more. Being a pussy is a big no. Plus you should have to be able to tell if you're on time or not. You don't belong there if you don't know.

>when it comes to art, something taking more effort or longer to do does not necessarily make the product better
I get what you are saying, simple and stylish paintings and melodies can be beautiful no questions asked. However there is a certain level of effort and sacrifice that every well known artist has to make, Whiplash is all about music competitions, they demand perfect skill and that was the main issue in the movie, Fletcher was looking for a new drummer because he knew his current one was getting extremely cocky and self entitled and they were not playing just for fun, it was a serious competition and that stage is not for everyone.

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From that point of view it makes sense to train him like an athlete, but why not just send Neiman to a rally good teacher to improve his technique, speed, timing, etc.

He went to draconian measures which isn’t a good thing

I started crying during this scene because Simmons was incredibly reminiscent of my dad who used to treat me just like that. Only in my case he wanted to be an amazing sports star like he was in high school/college and I was a complete spazz who hated sports. He still made me play basketball, football, and baseball, all of which ended in me humiliating myself. He also sexually abused me until I was 16. The other day I sent him an email telling him why and how much I hate him.

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This. It was about the friends he made along the way.

Look at this faggot and laugh. He's one of the faggots who came in 7th in sports, received his mandatory consolation prize, was told by his parents that he was a winner and was content with that.

People like him don't understand what it means to pursue greatness. They are content with being mediocre, and they'll attempt to pull down anyone who yearns for greatness, whether it be in academia, sports, music or what have you.

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eric? you sniveling little homo. i never sexually abused you. grow up!

the one he considered the best killed himself

And Vincent van Gogh cut his fucking ear off. If you want to be the best, you're going to have to make some psychological sacrifices. Turns out not everyone can handle that.

Based boomer

Let me guess, you were 1st in sports, fucked the hottest chicks and you're working on your 2nd PhD and posting in this shithole is just your hobby, right?

yes, it's worth sacrificing your personal relationships and your health to become "the best" at some arbitrary thing nobody cares about and will not remember you for in a hundred years.

Hey, I'll be whatever kind of loser you faggots need me to be if it helps you cope with your mediocrity. We all know that it doesn't matter what I say because you'll assume I'm a larping faggot.

Well have you tried not being a larping faggot?

>that 75 IQ comeback
I give up. You're a winner.

You gave up before you even started, bud