Mein Fuhrer.. Steiner..
Mein Fuhrer.. Steiner
Anthony Myers
Adam Young
Steiner was able to mobilize his men and his attack is imminent! This will surely lead to our defeating the hundreds of Russian divisions surrounding us on all sides!
Camden Cox
Steiner stole your diamonds from your hidden chest. They were destroyed when a creeper blew him up.
Jose Hernandez
SCOTT STEINER IS HERE
BIG POPPA PUMP IS YOUR HOOK-UP
HOLLA IF YA HEAR ME
Brody Lopez
Unironically though, if they had actually changed their strategy before Kursk and adapted to defending, they could probably have attritioned the Russians pretty hard.
Jacob Brooks
>After Kursk
What's the fucking point? By then Germany had attritioned itself too hard
Parker Campbell
>(((Steiner)))
You had one job Adolf
Austin Robinson
Any more cathartic films like this and The Death of Stalin?
Hudson Green
Steiner couldn't mobilize enough PPE. He wasn't able to cure his patients.
Nolan Brown
Kursk itself was their last gamble with their eastern airforce, and they had their production in full swing, coupled with their largest amassment of armor on the east since the start of Barbarossa.
All of those brand new Panthers which weren't quite ready for the front and the ferdinands, which basically died out at Kursk, could have been used more effectively in a defensive role.
Easton Baker
He has brought the holy Grail to Himmler. Our victory is now a guarantee
Thomas Powell
Was hitler actually delusional enough to think steiner's imaginary attack was going to change anything?
Christopher Barnes
He was delusional enough to think he could have won the war at any point, so I would say yes
Jonathan Davis
>He was delusional enough to think he could have won the war at any point, so I would say yes
Gavin Miller
>A PICKLE! HE TURNED HIMSELF INTO A FUCKING PICKLE!
Carson Hill
all german armour and airforce on the eastern front are sitting ducks because GERMANY HAD NO OIL LEFT
Hunter Nguyen
They had enough to last until the battle of the bulge at least, although at that point they were running low.
Artillery doesn't need oil though, they should have just spammed arty.
Joseph Russell
Ok Captain Hindsight
Joseph Perez
Germany started by assuming the Russians only had around 250 divisions equipped and in the field at the outset of the war, when in fact they had nearer twice that number.
For several years he would have assumed they were at their breaking point.
Wyatt Wilson
how do you transport the arty when you have no oil for the trucks to move it? nice way to get shitloads of artillery captured
Leo Reyes
>Fuhrer
>u
Why are you americans so fucking stupid? Ü != U. Respect the Umlaut, Untermensch!
Kevin Gomez
and they should have defended what exactly? their industrial centers, already starved of oil, getting destroyed by the western allies’ strategic bombing campaign? their agricultural industry that was also failing to properly feed the civilian population?
When Britain refused to sign peace with them they lost the war.
Jose Perez
Horses and slave labor
Yes, they should have held on in the east at all costs, and then tried to work a deal with the allies.
Josiah Parker
Aütism.
Thomas Jackson
At that point their main reason to try and hold out was a desperate (and unfortunately quite delusional) hope to reason with the US and UK to join them in their “crusade” against the soviets.
Elijah Taylor
A shame they were too short sighted and instead of helping contain the eastern menace, they ended up giving eastern Europe to the communists for a good 50 years.
Andrew Cooper
>Downfall parodies will never reach their prime most likely ever again
Chase Foster
That would have been nice in theory, but the western allies made it clear they want an unconditional surrender - something Hitler would never seriously consider. And since they knew the Reich was starved of resources and destined to lose in the long run, why should they engage in any other sort of diplomacy with them?
Sebastian Price
Blake Lewis
...Steiner died 2 years ago. It's time you forgave yourself and moved on.
Xavier Lee
>youtube.com
times fly
Austin Long
This isn't a parody, its some kike buttblasted at being called a kike elsewhere.
Zachary Rodriguez
Prove that he could
Anthony Morgan
Holding back the Panthers and Elefants for later wouldn't have changed anything.
At Kursk (and Op Bagration later the war) the Germans were facing a well organised, experienced and increasingly well-equipped Red Army that was an entirely different beast from the unprepared shambles the Wehrmacht had so much success against in 1941. In 1943, Red Army morale had been restored by the great victory at Stalingrad, their commanders had mastered deep battle offensives in Op. Uranus, they had developed trusted methods to blunt German offensive operations like Op Edelweiss and Op Fischreiher and their material strength and professionalism was growing by the day.
You're making the same mistake Hitler and many other Germans did; weapons don't win wars by themselves. A few extra Panthers here or a handful of Ferdinands held back for defensive positions wouldn't have made any significant difference in a war of this scale. The Germans claimed the Ferdinands "killed" three times their number of Soviet tanks at Kursk, in perfect conditions, open steppe, target rich environment etc. But so what? The battle was still lost, the Red Army outmaneuvered and outfought the Wehrmacht, achieving victory in a dozen places for every place they were defeated, so overall the Germans driven back, positions, vehicles, war material and even personnel were abandoned and the German's morale sank lower.
The idea that the Red Army was victorious simply because of its sheer size is a myth, the Red Army won because it out-fought the Germans. Having huge numbers of personnel and war material available WAS a factor in that (in 1943 the Soviets were producing roughly 1300 T-34s a month, Germany produced 6,000 Panthers in the entire war), but not the sole one, generalship, logistics, professionalism, novel doctrines and high-risk, high-reward strategies all played a part.
It wasn't simply a case of a few more dead Russians = German victory.
Chase Anderson
Pic related the only feasible way that was going to happen. Ol' Adolf really went off the deep end at the end of the war.
Liam Mitchell
You're mostly right but you understimate how critical Russia's manpower problem was getting towards the end of the war. If the Germans played their cards right the sheer attrition could have deprived Russia of huge portions of it's fighting age men and made them lose stomach for war.
Xavier Parker
During Kursk the Germans were fighting a prepared enemy, who had months previously received intelligence about the planned German offensive at around Kursk.
They subsequently built defenses designed specifically to slow down any blitz attempts, by adding layers and layers of anti tank positions.
Despite all of this, when the Germans pushed they were steadily, albeit behind schedule still making ground.
The ultimate cause of their subsequent retreat and the end of any axis momentum in the east, were the allied landings at Scicily, forcing the push to stop, needing to preserve armor.
I'm not entirely familiar as to what exactly happened next in the east, until Bagration, but with the luftwaffe depleted and their armored divisions decimated, they still held out for another two years in the east.
The amount of resources poured into Kursk I'm guessing would have been at least 5 to 10 times greater than those at the battle of the bulge, and it was estimated it sped up the end of the war by six months.
If they had been able to adapt to their enemy other than relying on wonder weapons and willpower, I think something significant could have been achieved.
Joshua Gomez
>... only killed 20 million Russians.
Mason Murphy
Definitely Germany needed some better focuses for material usage, kriegsmarine was useless, and the submarine force was a total waste of industry
Reading about the shit the Italians pulled really makes you wonder what coulda been.
Thomas Fisher
Also something to consider, the Russian losses were, as always, significant at best, seemingly atrocious at worst.
Two incidents from the book I read dealt with the Russians first losing almost an entirely new tank division within a week, the other being the first time in history a tank push (Russian) was stopped by air power alone.
With the rate of attrition the Soviets were suffering, retaining troop discipline and experience is very difficult, on top of the fact that there would be a tipping point at some point should the war have continued.
Ryan Williams
>Ok Captain Hindsight
>Start naval war with England
>Start land war with Russia
>Allies invite a country with both extensive land and naval power
Gabriel Phillips
Don't forget thekr worst mistake
>Allies with Italy
Thomas Clark
>They subsequently built defenses designed specifically to slow down any blitz attempts, by adding layers and layers of anti tank positions.
I thought I read that the Russians had entrenched +70km/miles deep and the Germans didn't even make it half way.
I don't believe Kursk could ever have been won, it was just a very strong nail in the coffin.
Aiden Reyes
>dont attack russia at all
>attack russia but present yourself as liberators from stalin's tyranny, prop up local discontents and establish a capitalist shadow government to rule over captured lands
was really the only two options, in the end though there was no need to attack russia, they were no credible threat to germany
Nathaniel Torres
Yes, but the offensive only lasted about a month, after having been delayed from may.
Jonathan Ross
He would have won if America never joined in and he saved Russia for later rather than trying to all of Europe at once.
Benjamin Green
You'll have stormfags say that Russia was going to sweep over Europe but forget that at any time Hitler could've talked a lot with France and England to form an anti-communist league.
Dylan Fisher
>PLEASE PLEASE GIVE US ONE WAY THEY COULD HAVE WON PLEASSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ryder Wilson
Very retarded take. By that point the Germans had killed 1/4 of all people in Ukraine and Belarus and had a severe deficit in fuel. You can't fight a war against a motivated army in which nearly every soldier has lost a family member to the invasion with "attrition" when you simply cannot field airplanes or armoured vehicles in significant quantity. They would just get rolled over by Soviet deep battle plans the same way the Soviets did in 1941.
Samuel Jenkins
>when steiner pulls through
Ryan Thompson
B+
Ryan Anderson
>Steiner
Kravchenko, Dragovich
all must die
Cameron Bailey
France had already tried to form an anti-German league and would have declared war on Germany in 1938 in conjunction with the Soviets but Poland wouldn't let Soviet troops pass through to Czechoslovakia. The British were very much Nazi adjacents however but even they were alienated by the very basic goals of the Nazis once they were carried out. This simply isn't a feasible goal in any real sense
Ryan Brooks
He couldn't save Russia for last. They needed that fuel as soon as possible
Sebastian White
Shame this went to shit
Austin Jenkins
Josiah Miller
las paelleras
Ayden Nguyen
kekd and chekd
Zachary Allen
germans didn't start outproducing britain in airplane production til like 1944 that gives you a clue how btfo they were