Say what you want about the plot, but the visuals were fucking kino

>new ATAT guys!
>but we never see them again, and not even in action

>Ship the size of a star destroyer can suddenly have enough energy to mount a planet destroying superlaser
>Somehow a universe with trillions of inhabitants wouldn't have a few random psychpaths jumping from planet to planet obliterating them "simply to watch the world burn" without anyone being able to stop them

Its almost as if they were deliberately trying to turn starwars into shit... .simply to watch it burn.

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That's the eye of the CGI department not the directors. He only placed Luke off to one side.

DUDE HIGH CONTRAST SILHOUETTES AGAINST A SUNSET, RULE OF THREE, PARTICLE EFFECTS

fuck off

>that post upset me, so I must reply with all caps

goddamn this is a terrible thread

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>all style, no substance
This is a good thing why? Seems to be a big thing in modern movies now?

film is a visual medium

Based, and I mostly liked the plot and characters too. It's one of the biggest pleb filters I've ever seen.
>muh comfy space wizard story!
>muh space wizard lore!
>muh mythical luke!
"No!"

There is unironically more substance to The Last Jedi than any other Star Wars film.

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That's more of a director of photography thing.

IIRC TFA, TLJ, and TRoS all had the same DP and TLJ was by far the most beautiful. The director has a lot of input and control over their DP.

Your face is a visual medium, and everyone hates it.

Being visual doesn't mean lacking substance. Visuals are the medium film uses to express something of substance. Otherwise it's just incoherent flailing like all Disney/Marvel/Hollywood/whatever.

>2020
>the disney trilogy is forgotten
what the FUCK went wrong?

everyone still remembers tlj and as evidenced by this thread is talking about it to this day.

Good visuals don't save a bad plot, but the reverse does

It's only remembered as a complete clusterfuck, like the Vietnam War.

most live-action disney and marvel movies aren’t even visually impressive though, they’re bland cgi mush. they lack both style and substance. and i agree with your point that style and substance aren’t mutually exclusive, that was sort of my point. ideas are expressed through visuals

no it’s not, it’s the only memorable installment in the sequel trilogy and it’s viewed as divisive and polarizing, not universally disliked

this, rian is an absolute genius

>heh, luke is gonna train rey and save the universe, NOT
>carrie fischer is dead, bet they think she'll get a proper send off...hehe nope
>i bet these people expect this movie to be GOOD...tehee theyre in for a surprise

SUBVERTED

tlj isn’t about “subverting expectations,” that’s just a criticism foisted on the movie by butthurt fanboys who got too far up their own ass formulating fan theories in the leadup to its release. tlj actually just tried (in vain) to steer star wars back into having actual themes like a real movie. tros of course reversed all this in favor of adding more and more lore and fanservice with no underlying meaning or significance.

Are you saying ATATs can't be kino? How does that have anything to do with cinematography regardless?

Miss this meme so fucking much

And what themes did tlj have?

I've seen the movie once, and I can't remember anything except a slow-ass space chase, grumpy Luke, casino planet, and the rehashes of the Emperor scene from RotJ, and Hoth battle. Tell my why it's memorable again?

The acceptance of failure.

It only beats you over the head with it for 2 hours, idiot

>i can’t remember anything except the majority of the movie
in any case i’m not talking about your individual recollection of the movie. people stopped talking about tros within a few weeks of its release. tlj discourse has persisted for years

Visuals like these mean nothing if the plot or characters are not there to make you care about what is happening and what it represents. This film is empty and stupid, and worse than anything JJ has made

huh, i guess youre right. this movie made me accept that sw was dead.

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>lol let me just disregard that argument
>oh and also everybody in the world went to see tros because tlj was such an amazing movie
You need to cope more. TRoS had basically no audience, which is why nobody remembers it.

Rule of Thirds is the most basic bitch composition technique out there

That only works if characters do everything right.

Otherwise it’s just meta commentary on how Disney failed.

And then it fails to be good and it fails to set up any sequel hooks and it fails the iconic franchise so it is pretty good

It sets up that the Resistance is essentially defeated with less than 30 members, the First Order is in total command of the galaxy and that there are other force sensitives out there. It wasn't a lot but whoever came in next for the story could've done something with that.

I don't think he's that bad, but he obviously hates Star Wars and KK let him just do whatever he wanted.

It sets up that the resistance is a bunch of total retards and everything else you listed happened in the ten minutes between tfa and tlj

Why didn't they just glass the planet from orbit? It had no defenses.

it also sets up kylo as the leader of the first order and an implicit power struggle between him and hux (treated as stupidly as possible in tros)

No, that “power struggle” is over before it even begins. Hux is always a bad joke and once the non-entity dies, it’s all ben.

He's the ultimate contrarian, really

Contrarianism isn’t real.

Divisive and polarizing are never good descriptors for a film. This is supposed to be a sci fi blockbuster movie. It shouldn't divide and polarise, it should be expansive and inspirational. The second movie in a trilogy should take the characters and themes of the first movie and develop them. We should have seen all the characters learning important lessons and improving, and the plot should have been bolstered and the stakes raised. Instead TLJ retracted and shrunk the universe. Snoke was killed with no explanation, Rey's mysterious past was explained as a 'nothing' Luke Skywalker was killed off with no value added to the plot, the Resistance was reduced to a dozen people on a single ship, the First Order received another catastrophic loss of vital ships and manpower, Phasma was ressurected and killed with no point to her, and it again failed to provide a sense of place in the Star Wars Universe. We weren't seeing a galactic war, we were watching a dozen ships in the middle of nowhere playing a slow game of tag.

It shrunk the plot and characters when it should have expanded, and left the third movie with no plot, no characters, no hook or purpose to such an extent that they literally said "Fuck it, here's Palpatine again"
It was a disaster

Care to elaborate a little more on that?

Ah yes, Kylo, the fanboy who has consistently lost to Rey and is far inferior to her, verses the comedy ginger. Truly a battle of the ages there.

it’s only divisive and polarizing because the star wars fanbase is full of retards who consume a media diet of 98% capeshit

kylo isn’t inferior to rey, pretty clear.

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It’s like “hipster.” It’s something that’s only externally defined. It’s a concept reddit came up with to explain why everyone doesn’t all like/dislike the same things.

How did it set that up? Their fleet was also destroyed and Hux was treated as a joke in the opening of the movie

Literally ALL rian left was that they were defeated and there was no hope because the new hope died like a bitch for no reason. I’d say it was the most disrespectful thing they could’ve done with the character but having like get linked by Leia in a flash back proved that wrong. By design TLJ is a better movie that the last one but that’s because it had the luxury of only being one movie RoS had to be 6 movies one of which being the 2nd movie to give the characters something to fucking do to end the story. I don’t blame Rian entirely, sure he wrote and directed the thing but the producer dropped the ball by getting no one with vision to make these movies, but what’s to expect from a group of people who find power not in what you do or stand for but in who you stand over

I think you're wrong. Being contrarian is a thing, like being an angsty teenage rebel. Some people want, and prefer, to just think and do opposite to the norm, or to what people will like, just to stand out. It's a human phenomenon.

>Hux was treated as a joke in the entire movie
Fixed that for you.

>Literally ALL rian left was that they were defeated and there was no hope because the new hope died like a bitch for no reason.

literally the opposite, the ending was extremely hopeful

Eh, I disagree with that. The scene when Kylo shoves Hux against the wall is a pretty explicit show that TFO is going to be following Kylo Ren. I don't like the way they did it TROS, at all, but Hux betraying Kylo (and Kylo specifically) made sense after that.
I never made the argument about the dynamic. It was there for one scene.

>The second movie in a trilogy should take the characters and themes of the first movie and develop them
The prior movie had none.

Are you shitting us? The "good guys" lost and everyone except 200 people died in some sort of grand galactic war against the Nazi regime. How is that hopeful?

Wrong. What you’re poorly defining as “contrarianism” is motivated by a desire to not associate with or be associated with people a person doesn’t like. It is a childhood thing, but the concept of “contrarianism” implies it’s simply pretend. Put as simply as possible, it’s “I don’t like you, thus I don’t like what you like.” The dislike is 100% genuine.

>Finn and Rose fail because of a parking ticket and finding ANOTHER random code breaker who betrays them
>Poe fails because he sacrificed a number of shitty bombers that destroyed a "fleet killer" ship that would have without a doubt destroyed the resistance after the lightspeed jump but ignore that please.
>Rey fails to turn Ben good, despite it clearly not affecting her at all whatsoever once she leaves the ship

Truly a timeless classic