Why didn't he just create one clone and used it as a double?

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Imagine a christopher nolan movie going over your head.

It been shown earlier when he use the body double
He wanted the spotlight, he wanted the audience see him from the start to the finish
If he were to let the clone live
It will just end up just like the body double
Where he stuck in the trap door, while the clone got the applause

This movie is about commitment to a magic trick vs performer ego

Dude the clone was the one materialising in the other part of the theater while he was drowning like a retard

there is a throwaway line about how he didn't know if he would be "in the box or the prestige." It could mean either the transporter does transport sometimes, or the clone thinks he's the original and doesn't know he's killing the original.

It doesn't transport only makes a clone so it's kinda obvious he doesn't realize he killed the original because of the continuity in his coinciousness

he didn't know if it creates a copy in place while teleporting the original, or if it just creates a copy elsewhere. Either way just use a perfect double instead.

>It doesn't transport
He says he doesn't know if he'll be in the box or the prestige. Please explain how he couldn't know the outcome if the machine only had one possible outcome.

His set up is to literally kill himself though. The machine he uses doesn't teleport him, it clones him in another location and the real guy is then dumped into a box filled with water.

The continuity in his mind is the same so he doesn't realize it. The one drowning had the same exact thinking and just drowned.

The machine only had one outcome: one clone would appear in the designed place and the guy under the tesla would drop into water and drown.

If he kept the clone then not only could he do his magic trick, he could murder Bale in revenge whilst having a rock solid alibi. Or he could use the machine to make tons of gold and hire hitmen to kill Bale, or use the money to build a gigantic theatre with tons of hidden passages, mirrors etc. to perfect his magic tricks.

Because the machine never actually cloned, just made pretty lightning and sparks.

Why didn't he just clone toilet rolls? He'd be like a new King Midas.

They don't know fully how the machine works. It may teleport him and then due to some physics mumbo jumbo is forced to create a copy in the last place the teleported thing was.
That's the whole point of the movie.

After he did it the first time the him that materialized out of the machine thought “well that corpse is dead but *I’m* still alive” so he kept doing it rather than come to grips with the fact that he died. I doubt any of us would go through with trick if he explained everything, but for him killing himself became a psychological blind spot. Also he thought he was killing himself gently (lmao.)

He didn't want to share the fame with his clone. Or was too retarded to think of that.

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Actual question here

How do we know that every time we go to sleep (losing consciousness), then wake up in the morning that we aren't the same as jacked man pulling the lever and dying but thinking that we are the same guy coming up the trapdoor?

Why didn't he just use the machine to clone eagles for the ring?

No clones lol

Eagles are fucking massive retard, you couldn't fit one in the machine. You would be better off cloning an army of Legolases and arrow raping Mordor.

We probably don't.

Because we wake up in the same body, which hasn’t been drowned in a tank or disintegrated in a transporter.

but how do you know it's 'you' in the same consciousness and not another version of your brain with your memories.

if you cloned yourself and then killed yourself and made sure you were never found, the clone would have no idea

But then you'd have to clone giant rocks for him to surf on. Checkmate knife ears.

Hell man, every time you sneeze or lose a train of thought you technically die.

we dont, in fact you die every night
what is exactly consciousness? if all of the are equal and the only change between one and onother is the brain in which are contained we only exist only the time we are awake only to be replaced next day with another being who shares the same memories
you don't have to kill yourself, just take a nap and everything will be fine

what I want to know, is why the fuck he kept them all in warehouse.

Plebfiltered. It was done exactly the way you saw it done.

there's no self.

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>Want a fun movie about two rival magicians using cool and unique tricks to one up each other
>Get some sci-fi bullshit
Bravo Nolan, you fucking hack

Consciousness is preserved in a transporter though, the Barclay episode proved that.

Its freaking magic yeah haha

Doesn't HE technically die though? The man on the stage dies, and the clone sees the spotlight. The original is long dead by now

Realistically they could have alternated like Bale. But people asking this question obviously weren't paying attention to Jackman's entire character for the movie.

If the "real" Angiers is teleported then he gets shot dead by the first "clone". If the "real" Angiers stays in the machine and a "clone" is created elsewhere then the "real" Angiers dies the first time he does the trick.

>But people asking this question obviously weren't paying attention to Jackman's entire character for the movie
its called autism

I'm so mad Tenet will 99% get delayed due to the chinks

Bump

Because he was a worse magician. That is the point of the movie.

This is what makes no fucking sense about Angiers rambling on about how every night he didn't know whether he'd be the one in the tank or not. He knew whichever version he was, original or clone, he was the one that was standing in the machine after it had done it's thing. Did he think the machine was purely random and sometimes teleported and sometimes didn't?

Borden was the better magician and angier deep down knew it. To the public, the new trick angier does with the machine from tesla is said to be better than Bordens trick. Angier was always the better showman, Borden the better magician. However, after Angier gets the new machine, he's not only the better showman, but also the better magician, his only mistake was trying to kill fallon and getting tesla info from Borden forcefully even though it was fake, it ultimately benefited him, Borden probably thought it would be a dead end and he'd waste time while he would keep performing his twin trick in London. Angier went overboard when he framed one of the twins, although he didn't know they were twins and that the other would try and get revenge, it was petty and showed how hateful he was for his wifes death. In the end, no one wins. Borden loses his twin and ultimately his greatest trick, and his wife, angier already lost his wife and now loses his life.

how come no one realized fallon and borden looked way too similar? nolans are hacks

When Angier walks into the machine, either:

a) Angier falls into the water and a copy of him is created elsewhere. The clone takes the place of Angier. The process is repeated.

b) Angier is teleported and a copy of him is created exactly in the place where the reaction started. Angier is happy since he gets to do the trick once more.

c) Both a) and b) are true. Angier gets teleported and the clone dies, or Angier dies and the clone takes his place. Both outcomes are possible with a 50% chance.

That's what Angier fears. Note that when we talk about "clone", we're talking about an exact copy of him until time=0. This means that when the machine does its trick, the copy or clone of Angier gains his memories of the last milisecond before the "teleport" happened. So "original" or copy, he has no way of knowing whether he is a clone with seconds of life or the Angier who entered the macine.

There is no way of knowing of "hmmm, when I'm being cloned my hand itches but when I teleport I feel dizzy".

Point of the trilogy movies:
Films = linear medium, like life itself even though narratives aren't necessarily
Films = magic tricks (even though you know its lies you still go along with it)
Films = dreams, also magic and more reflections on the linear medium vs. conventions of heist movies which are special for attempting to create the illusion of simultaneity

Great movie

>So "original" or copy, he has no way of knowing whether he is a clone with seconds of life or the Angier who entered the macine.
Yes, he does. Because when he first uses the machine he murders the teleported Angier. Which means he is the one who remained or appeared in the machine. It doesn't matter which. So by rigging up the machine to drop the Angier standing in the machine means he knows he's killing himself every time. The only way this isn't true is if the machine operates randomly and sometimes teleports and other times replicates. Though, why he or anyone else would ever believe that to be true, I've no idea.

>Yes, he does. Because when he first uses the machine he murders the teleported Angier. Which means he is the one who remained or appeared in the machine. It doesn't matter which. So by rigging up the machine to drop the Angier standing in the machine means he knows he's killing himself every time. The only way this isn't true is if the machine operates randomly and sometimes teleports and other times replicates. Though, why he or anyone else would ever believe that to be true, I've no idea.

You do not comprehend what this form of "cloning" implies.

The whole point is that no one can actually know who the "original" Angier is, does the machine create a copy in the target location or is the original teleported there, leaving a copy behind.

You cannot actually know that, even Angier can't.
Both of them are identical, and think to be the original.
the Angier getting shot was about to shout that he is the real one, maybe he was.

imagibe Tesla built the machine exactly the same way but added a little twist to it:
Imagine he added a device that disintegrates the Person that stepped into the machine in the exact moment where the copy is created.

The copy would believe to have a actual teleporter, not knowing that his consciousness was created seconds ago while the other was killed.

you mean fort derrick

What makes you think he didn't?

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>The whole point is that no one can actually know who the "original" Angier is, does the machine create a copy in the target location or is the original teleported there, leaving a copy behind.
This is irrelevant. Again, unless the machine if it randomizes upon each activation, Angier knows who will die after the first time he tests the machine. If you assume that it either consistently creates a copy while teleporting the original or consistently manifests a copy at some distance, then this is easily knowable.

When Angier first uses the machine, the non teleported Angier picks up a gun and shoots the teleported Angier. It doesn't matter whether the one who shoots the other is a copy or not. The remaining Angier then rigs up a system in which the Angier standing in the machine will die by drowning. He does this despite knowing that he, himself, was the Angier standing in the machine when it was first tested. He is therefore knowingly submitting himself as a sacrifice each time he steps into the machine because from his perspective, he was the one who entered the machine and he was the one still in the machine after it is activated.

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