Now that the dust has settled, what went so wrong with the sequel trilogy?

first movie is just a copy of A New Hope, second movie shits all over everything the first movie did, third movie shits all over everything the second movie did

star wars was shit from the start

This. It's like a goddamn textbook example of a committee trying to make a movie. Except there's three movies.

Keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you'll actually believe it, too

Nothing went wrong. You’re just a fattening quadruple chinned neck beard who can’t accept the fact that everyone is human and even our biggest heroes have their flaws and weaknesses even after their greatest triumphs

Ok shill

>you have to like the old otherwise you’re a shill

it's what happens when you focus-group-test your plot

Literally EVERYTHING

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Beautiful ideas and sloppy execution
VS
Sloppy ideas and crafted execution

>sloppy execution

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are you serious? Was that seriously the storyboard?

The problem with Epi I was actually Epi II and III, Jar Jar was supposed to be the Phantom Menace. He was supposed to be in place of Dooku.

>the arc of the prequels totally made sense, didn’t add villains at the last minute (Dooku in II and Grevious in III with no payoff for either), and didn’t add backwards logic
The sequels did the same shit

>Jar Jar was supposed to be the Phantom Menace. He was supposed to be in place of Dooku.

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A lot went wrong but I think the nexus was lack of direction - they were so clearly making it up as they went along there isn’t any semblance of overarching plot or any kind of thematic direction. It’s just action piece - exposition - nostalgia on repeat for 8 hours

Read the Darth Darth Binks theory. It will all make sense.

No plan. No attempt at likable characters.

Now that the dust has settled, what went so right?

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B-but they wore Star Wars shirts and...a-and practical effects!!!!

E7 = Meh
E8 = Dumpster fire
E9 = 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag

Also, there is not a single great light saber battle in the entire trilogy. Think about that.

>there is not a single great light saber battle in the entire trilogy.
That cant be true. I didn’t see them but I doubt that

The audience. You just can't please Star Wars fanboys, not even a masterpiece like The Mandalorian was safe from their "criticism".

>No unity between entries
>Not involving the series' creator
>Soulless replication of the original films rather than an attempt to push the series forward
>Inorganic continuation of the series
>Never establishes stakes
>Never develops the characters far enough to make them feel like actual, likeable people

Honestly, I don't think it ever could've worked. "Star Wars" is not something that can stand up to different styles of director. It's George Lucas. Even the ones he technically didn't direct were still very much his vision and his aesthetic. Anybody making a new Star Wars movie has to make it visually/stylistically feel familiar, otherwise it doesn't feel like Star Wars.

But then you're left with someone simply imitating George Lucas, without Lucas' creativity. Even if you argue that his ideas need to be reigned in, he still needs to be present. The series is still his and him.

What'd we get without him? 3 movies, all 3 of which imitate his aesthetic (duh) but also can't even come up with new stories. They're all replications of OT movies.
Even "The Last Jedi" which both fans and detractors claim was trying to be "different" and "risky" or "take a shit on what everbody loved" was still just Empire Strikes Back with a little bt of Return of the Jedi thrown in. It's not bold or risk taking at all. It's a movie that says "Hey, Star Wars should be bold and risk taking" all while completely following the Star Wars formula.

The worst part is though that it never feels like anything matters, basically storytelling is missing.
They never establish what the First Order is, what the Resistance is, what either has to gain from winning the conflict, and Rey, our hero protagonist, is never given a reason to be fighting on the side she is.

>Anybody making a new Star Wars movie has to make it visually/stylistically feel familiar, otherwise it doesn't feel like Star Wars
The prequels are, aesthetically speaking, completely different from the OT, and they were directed by Lucas himself.

It was not planned as a trilogy.

They're aesthetically different yes, but they're not divorced completely. Lucas was able to craft something that, while feeling fresh, was still able to feel like it organically transitioned in to the world of the OT.
This is perhaps most easily expressed by the ships, which mirrors our own real life automotive industry. They start with round edges and a shiny/hand-crafted feel, then transition to a more square and mass-produced look in the OT.

The point being, nobody has the balls to go the distance with this series out of fear of it being to unrecognizable. And yet Lucas, being the creator, knew exactly the parameters of this universe seeing as it was his creative energy that makes it what it is. You take him out of the equation, you've just got fan-fiction.

First has one shit battle between a Mary Sue and a sperglord. The second doesn't have a light saber battle (force projections don't count). And the plot and emotional impact of the storyline is so muddled by the third movie, the one light saber battle is utterly forgettable.

Nuking the EU and then writing its replacement on single ply toilet paper with a blunt crayon.

>great
I think the crux of that is there no emotional stakes to any of the nu wars fights. Nobody cares about the characters, there’s no way the mary sue— or any of the protagonists will die — at least not without being resurrected five minutes later.

Literally the best lightsaber fight is between the black guy and the storm trooper. In the whole trilogy.

>still able to feel like it organically transitioned in to the world of the OT
Dude what? Lucas even shitted on his own lore.
The prequels feel like a spinoff more than an extension of the OT. The tone, the atmosphere, the aesthetics, and even the continuity are way off. The only thing that remained consistent was the music.

This. Sure there was some shit in the EU but there was some great source material to improve / expand upon.

Completely disagree. It's actually part of the reason I think Revenge of the Sith is so underrated. It seamlessly bridges the transition from PT aesthetic to OT aesthetic. Showing that, even if some of the details changed along the way, ultimately there was a sense of unity built in from the beginning.

FPBP

No initial vision. I don't think they are that bad in retrospect, but I still can't believe they didn't come up with the arc from the start and the trilogy definitely suffers from it.

Just because they show some old designs in RotS doesn't justify how 90% of the prequels are tonally and thematically disconnected from the OT.
In that same movie we have all that ridiculous General Grievous shit that feels completely out of place, and the butchering of Darth Vader's turn to the dark side. Not to mention the emperor also makes a fool of himself in that one. Literally zero respect for two of the most iconic villains in cinema history.

Second best is Finn vs Ren. Pretty sad the nig non-Jedi side character has the two best saber duels in the entire trilogy. KEK.

This.

Maybe you just have a fetish for black guys getting their ass handed to them in fights, because those were far from the best ones.

Feminist anti-male campaign

Those were Rian's actual storyboards but usually that would get handed to a storyboard artist which I assume is what happened in this case, but this is still absolute trash especially compared to art by Ridley Scott or James Cameron

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Its from the behind the scenes extras. Thats just one image their are a bunch online.

female lead

i want to learn to draw :/

>Nothing went wrong. You’re just a fattening quadruple chinned neck beard who can’t accept the fact that everyone is human and even our biggest heroes have their flaws and weaknesses even after their greatest triumphs

>Except for Rey, who is perfect because she is female.

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>i want to learn to draw :/

You can do it if you try and never give up.

thanks user

I was never meant to exist. The Saga was meant to end with Revenge of the Sith. Everything since then has been pointless attempts to milk the fanbase for more cash.

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mmmm terminator storyboards are sexy, Jim Cameron also drew all of Leo's drawings in The Titanic, including Kate Winslet's titties.
go to >>/ic/ and read the sticky.

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I watched it again, and I get the feeling that it's the RotS of the ST. The only two differences being that if it didn't have to cater for the retardation of the last movie, this one might have been good. And that unlike RotS, it's the only watchable movie in the trilogy.

>everyone is human
There should have been more aliens.

Yeah, that's what the sequels needed, more slant-eyed bastards

Pretty accurate although they certainly have no contempt for the amount of money it made

Pimps "value" their whores the same way though, user.