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Semi-Perfect Cell gets the most flak.

That's because you can relate most to this form of Cell. Cell is, like you, an incel here. But Cell slowly turns into a chad by sucking up android 17 and 18,

his crotch looking exactly like his mouth bothers me

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such a dumb form. What was with toriyama and having forms that would only last like 3 chapters. He did the same thing with freiza.

Someone post when cell absorbs android-18

FOR SCIENCE

Based

>needs a brother and sister to become chad
single childs btfo?

frieza's second form was pure Chad and shouldve been the only form he had

He's much creepier and more desperate

Why the hell would Frieza not always be in his final form? What is even the point of the previous 3 forms?

And was king cold in his strongest form? Because he looks just like form 2 frieza

It was an ego thing, plebs weren't worthy of being in the presence of his final form

I mean he's always depicted in his final form whenever he shows up again after the namek arc. I guess the real reason is that toriyama didn't think of his final form until the end.

Cell is the best DB villain, period. He's the only main villain in the series who was outmatched right from the start, but through wit and dexterity managed to make himself stronger than everyone.

We need a Return of Cell saga.

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god, imagine the horror of Cell poking you with his thick throbbing tail and sucking you up
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I got the impression that never in his entire life did he ever need to use more than his base form. He was proud and arrogant.

>Why the hell would Frieza not always be in his final form?

He explained in the show that he de-transformed himself into his lower form because he had too much power in his last one and needed to restrain himself. He gets bouts of autism rage alot so he would've done serious damage if he was in his final form at all times.

But once he got his ass handed to him by a monkey man, and then when resurrected found out that there's tons of guys more powerful than him, there was no use to go back to anything lower than his best.

same reason Sayans don't chill in Super Sayan form all the time I guess it "drains" there power

I was 7 years old when I watched this and it gave me the weirdest boner.

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This

I wouldn't want it to happen to me but damn that's totally hot.

pls delet

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I was genuinely scared as a kid. I hid behind the couch.

Same.

Cell and Frieza were good interesting designs by that hack akira

Nah, its not that. He just thought there was no need for his final form until Goku showed up.

The transformation than drains him is his Golden one, thats why he only uses that sparingly. The others aren't like that.

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You might have a vore fetish like me :)

>gero was a vorefag
based or cringe?

Cuz he looked black

How do you go from this

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how is the dragonball Super manga? Moro looks super cute but I don't really want to read it.

To this?

The mage aesthetic was cool as fuck. He looked intimidating and truly evil.

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cant' have that

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I started reading from the new arc around a month ago and I'm REALLY enjoying it so far. Kind of disappointed I'm not experiencing it for the first time in anime form since I'm sure I'd love the composition of episodes with the music and animation and colour etc but it's worth it to avoid spoilers IMO

So far I'd probably rank the arcs:

Zamasu/Goku Black
Tournament of Power + Moro
Universe 6
Beerus
Golden Frieza

It's a really engaging arc which takes some interesting directions and has the characters split off from each other and go on their own separate journeys. Kind of reminds me of Empire Strikes Back structure-wise. Also it's evocative of a lot of Star Wars imagery in general really. Lots of spaceships and further exploration of Universe 7.

It ties back into plot points that were thought to be long forgotten from DBZ. Makes some cool connections and has some cool new characters

Highly recommend it. It's been great so far.

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Perfect Cell is just green vegeta what a stupid post

imperfect cell was such a great combination of threatening and creepy.

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Is Toyotaro the one creating the story or is it still Toriyama?

I'm glad Toriyama created the DB franchise but the guy is a hack. He hasn't really cared since at least the Buu saga. Time for new blood to take over the series.

IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR

I've actually been re-watching all of DBZ lately. Just started the Cell saga yesterday and I had forgotten how creepy the start of this saga is. It really feels like a horror thriller. Cell's introduction feels like the xenomorph from Aliens. Just creeping around killing shit. It's great.

>It ties back into plot points that were thought to be long forgotten from DBZ

Like what? I'm weirdly autistic about Dragon Ball and my personal headcanon and I decided to not touch Super because everything I've heard from it seems terrible but I'm genuinely curious if they ever engage forgotten plot points from the original manga.

>Is Toyotaro the one creating the story or is it still Toriyama?

Toriyama is still writing but Toyotaro has progressively been getting more and more control, both in the story aspect and the designs. In fact, I think Moro was actually a Toyotaro design with little input from Toriyama.

From the way recent interviews with Toyotaro have sounded, it sounds like these days it's more of a true collaboration and exchanging of ideas between himself and Toriyama as opposed to the "Toriyama writes and directs, Toyotaro draws" routine that was going when the manga started.

tl;dr, Toriyama is still writing but he's also given Toyotaro greater input when it comes to the writing too. Toyotaro's influence is beginning to peek through, Moro still feels like a Toriyama-esque story but it doesn't feel like a story Toriyama alone would come up with, if that makes sense. It's a slight but refreshing shift in direction and style.

>I'm glad Toriyama created the DB franchise but the guy is a hack. He hasn't really cared since at least the Buu saga. Time for new blood to take over the series.

I agree. He's a genius in terms of creativity and his art but he leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to properly structuring a story and satisfyingly tying everything back together (case in point: Buu saga's terrible pacing and overstayed welcome, failing to follow up on themes set up in the very beginning).

I think the Androids/Cell saga and the Goku Black saga to an extent is his best work in terms of writing a satisfying story with proper structure but the thing to note about those arcs is that there was heavy editor influence (or in the case of Goku Black, he wasn't even fully writing it, just giving literal dot points of events in his plot outline document). He needs a team to reel him in and keep him focused and grounded.

The sense of mystery and constant twists, turns and developments is awesome right? Such a good arc.

What went wrong?

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Fat Buu's origins of absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai play a key role in the beginning of the arc and will possibly be important later on. The implications of Buu technically being part-God are explored, as well as the effects his various transformations and splits in the Buu arc had on his godliness.

Vegeta travels to Yardrat (the planet where Goku learned instant transmission) and trains in a reality-altering subdivision of ki/energy control in the hopes of learning an ability to defeat Moro who utterly BTFOs the regular brute force/asspull transformation approach by being able to absorb energy

Magical abilities like the ones Babidi, Dabura and Buu used are a big part of the arc in general. Like I said, Moro does not fight conventionally but instead uses a bunch of different tricks to outplay and outsmart the heroes. Magic has always been overpowered in Dragon Ball but it is going to be explored further in this arc and a defense against it will presumably be concocted

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I swear I marked that image as a spoiler, sorry my bad

Reading your post here and , it really seems like the current arc is being written by a fan rather than Tori itself. Which I don't think it's bad. Like you mentioned, storytelling was never his forte. I like that they are revisiting some elements that were glanced over previously. A villain primarily focused on magic is also pretty cool.

I'm still not going to get into Super but I'm glad it helped revitalize Dragon Ball and that people seems to like it.

>who utterly BTFOs the regular brute force/asspull transformation approach by being able to absorb energy

It's about time they took a different approach other than the "me stronger than you, I punch you, you die" gimmick. I realize DB is a shonen show, but it was time for a change.

Nah I like this more. Perfect Cell is just Green Freiza

>What was with toriyama and having forms that would only last like 3 chapters.
He had literally no plan and was writing week to week. It's really obvious as well so I could never understand why people like the Android to cell saga's the best.

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He had no control over his full power and would constantly leak energy. He was also so much stronger than everyone he ever met (besides a literal God) that he didn't see the point in training to control his power.

>it really seems like the current arc is being written by a fan rather than Tori itself

For sure. In fact, Toyotaro first got famous in the Dragon Ball community through his fan made Dragon Ball AF manga back in like 2010. From there he was presumably talented scouted by Toriyama and picked up to work on some official DB stuff. A really sweet success story. I remember reading his fan manga way back, bizarre to think that he ended up being chosen as Toriyama's successor all these years later.

I understand what you mean about not wanting to ruin the story you've written out in your own head but if you do ever decide to get into Super, go into it knowing that it's actually decent stuff and don't expect some cynical cashgrab. The first 3 arcs are very iffy and turned a lot of people off but after that it reaches a point in quality that rivals and in some cases is even better than DB and Z.

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>Why the hell would Frieza not always be in his final form?
Because Frieza didn't have any other forms until Toriyama decided he did perhaps a week or two before he transformed.