When I was a kid, Luke was my hero. I will never stop being mad at him being murdered, and his corpse being pissed on...

He'd probably still look like a bug-eyed teenage redneck. The face-mangling gave him some much-needed maturity.

>That's because he's the archetypal Hero. The viewer is supposed to insert himself into his role.
How often have you tried to kill your father in a fit of rage, user? And hacked his hand off in the process?

Have sex, Lukecel

The only character in cinema I can think of that can rival Luke Skywalker in iconism, message and representating the core ideals of its fiction is probably Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, but they never made a movie where Dorothy was a fat depressed hag waiting to die, sucking off giant mushrooms in the ruins of munchkin land while the wicked witch of the northwest was destorying the countryside of Oz. You'd deck in in the face if I suggested that, and I honestly don't think the Dorothy portrayal would be equel.

Yet here we are, Last Jedi destoryed what Rabbitfrogs, sand, magic mitochondria and Palpatines tax plan couldn't kill.

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Wasn't there a sequel where she was in a mental asylum?

Blame Lucas, this is one of the things Disney kept. Jedi Grandmaster Luke was never gonna be seen

So you never understood Luke's character in the OT, I take it?

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Forgot pic

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Just do what I do: pretend the sequels don't exist. Nobody talks about them anymore so it's pretty easy.

Are you kidding? Have you seriously not heard of the Oedipus complex? It's archetypal as fuck.

Exactly. Everything points to TLJ being most in line with what Lucas had envisioned. Including Lucas commenting positively on TLJ and stating to have liked it - something he never did for episodes 7 or 9.
Kinda ironic that the same manchildren who loved TFA and cried about TLJ are also the ones who want George Lucas back the most (when most of them were mindlessly hating on Lucas ten years ago).

>killing your dad means you want to fuck him
fucking retarded americans

>It's archetypal as fuck.
No, it isn't. Because Luke's actions were not informed by some Oedipus complex. You might want to look up what that actually means. And it certainly wasn't meant to encourage viewers to self-insert as Luke.
He was always deeply flawed, and not the perfect hero certain people wanted to see him as.

It's about fucking your mother. And you mean Austrians, not Americans.
Apart from that, great post.

When I was a kid the Rebels were heroes.
When I grew up I realized the Empire was right.

Based Alec.

>what is The Hero's Journey
Star Wars is literally the most archetypal film ever made. You might want to look that up, genius.

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>what is The Hero's Journey
An overrated piece of simplistic garbage that people who know nothing about literature or film theory always refer to when they want to seem knowledgable.
It's also the reason why A New Hope (formerly just "Star Wars") was structurally uninteresting and had to depend on unconventionally strong editing.

>archetypal forms are "simplistic garbage"
Holy shit, the pseudery of that post hangs around like a bad stench.

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Having Kennedy state that Lucas said he liked it is hardly a glowing endorsement. It could be a straight-up lie, as well.
He did say that TFA is a movie the fans would love. And he was right. Everybody ate up that regurgitated shit and licked the bowl.

Let me guess, you're American, right?
Because that's exactly what "The Hero's Journey" is; American pseudo-intellectualism.
If you want to talk archetypes, that's C.G. Jung territory, not your little paint-by-numbers blueprint for incompetent scriptwriters.

Shut up, Herbert

I think Rey and others are more boring honestly. I just lead with her because she's new.

There's a bunch of SW characters that are good at everything and die martyrs and I dislike them a lot. People clamor over Kyle Katarn but I think he's kind of shit.

>right?
Wrong ... again.
>American pseudo-intellectualism
... that just happens to be woven into stories and folk tales from all over the world? Okaaaay ...
>archetypes, that's C.G. Jung territory
Jung didn't invent the archetypes you knobhead. And I've forgotten more Jung than you'll ever read.

>Having Kennedy state that Lucas said he liked it
Kennedy stated no such thing. She had nothing to do with that and wasn't the one who relayed Lucas' statements to the press.
And, again, everything we know indicates that Johnson's vision was very much in line with Lucas' original concepts.

>He did say that TFA is a movie the fans would love.
Yes, and he also alluded to him feeling betrayed by Disney and that it was not what he had envisioned. He was right: Fans loved TFA, despite it being the very thing Lucas never stood for: Pointless nostalgia.

>Wrong ... again.
Sorry, but I don't believe you. The US is the only country in the world that teaches that bullshit and takes it seriously.

>that just happens to be woven into stories and folk tales from all over the world?
It really isn't. It applies to those stories and folk tales about as much as Nostradamus' prophecies apply to world history. With the added benefit of it being written AFTER those stories already were a thing. It's so generalized and unspecific that it's basically cold reading.

>Jung didn't invent the archetypes you knobhead.
I've never claimed that he did, Ameritard.

>January 2013

Lucas sold it in December of 2012. By early January Rick Carter was already hired to run his team of "Visualists" by Kennedy and Lucas' story treatment was declined on January 24 and on January 25 they already announced Abrams as the director.
Also, SW concept artists usually work without the script abd just doodle stupid shit, tehn that stuff is presented to the writer/direcotr for "inspiration" purposes.
Maybe Lucas said it was a good image, after all these people were working on his Ranch so I assume he was free to visit, but at that point the whole thing was out of his hands.

But he was so cute, user.

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>Sorry, but I don't believe you
Yeah, I can see you're an expert in rejecting reality and substituting your own. Have fun with that, fuckwit.

Fuck off, Rian.

>Kennedy stated no such thing. She had nothing to do with that and wasn't the one who relayed Lucas' statements to the press.

I was wrong. Sorry. But I googled and his representative said that Lucas said it was "beautifully made". Not really any mention of what he thinks of the story.

kek

>No, it isn't. Because Luke's actions were not informed by some Oedipus complex.
Oedipus' actions were not informed by some Oedipus complex.

>I was wrong. Sorry.
No problem. Just try not to accuse someone who wasn't involved of lying in the future.

>his representative said that Lucas said it was "beautifully made". Not really any mention of what he thinks of the story.
Compare it to what he's said about Abram's films and it should be obvious which ones he liked better.

>Disney NonCanonWars no young and handsome Jedi main character
DROPPED

>Oedipus' actions were not informed by some Oedipus complex.
Indeed. It's named after him for different reasons.
But what's your point? That because Oedipus wasn't suffering from a Freudian Oedipus complex, you can now go around and claim that it applies to any character you like?

Fuck that. I wanted to see an attractive young female Jedi with a nice face and a good body. The sequels would have been more watchable with one.

Daisy was qt

no

Why does Luke Skywalker make people seethe so hard?

People who like or dislike the character get really angry when talking about him and the people who made the new movies obviously hated him.

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Yes. And as you obviously aren't into girls: There's Adam Driver for you.

Frankly, you sound like you're projecting, user.

cope

They were still going with the Lucas outline for a while

Maybe they did, but the actual TFA artbook written by the guy that tweeted the drawing of Luke only mentions Lucas in a creative capacity on that day that he presented his pitch. January 24, which was after they already gor Michael Arndt to write the script. After that he's only mentioned in passing cause it's hard to write a book about Star Wars without mentioning him.
It's not really the point, if he sold in 2012, he wasn't stamping off on artwork in January of 2013. And like I said the concept artists draw a fuckload of shit cause their job is to throw stuff at wall. Like an image of Luke being swalloed by sand or Anakin/Vader ghost, or the Death Star rising from a being buried under a sand dune. They just doodle shit for the kicks. They don't really work off any outline and they even mention in the book that when they assembled their team they had nothing. No writer, no director.

It's actually pretty impressive how quickly they got the ball rolling after th aquisition, Like 3 weeks after the ink dried they were in pre-production to get those sweet, sweet Star Wars dollars.

Yes, her parents thought she was having delusions talking about OZ. It only takes place 6 months after. The movie is more scary than depressing.

If you think George personally had a lot of influence over these movies you're nuts. They threw out his scripts. Mark Hammill also knew people would be upset...but not even did he know that they'd kill him off before we got to see more action.

Some people are so biased they don't like anything. They never processed his character development past being a farm boy. Feminists are offended by classic story archetypes; Or they don't like a man with force powers. They could have made Mara Jade or some decent scenes with Leia...but no, they had to build their own "Luke" and copy the OT. I actually think anyone who dislikes Luke should watch another movie series.

>If you think George personally had a lot of influence over these movies you're nuts.
No one said that. Learn to read.

>but not even did he know that they'd kill him off before we got to see more action.
Are you retarded? He knew as soon as he had the script. You'te acting as if he wasn't there when they filmed his scenes.

>I actually think anyone who dislikes Luke should watch another movie series.
Well, most TLJ haters hated Luke ...

Citation needed. I do hate that a lot of people act like he should have been the star of the ST instead of the new cast.

you first faggot