Oh shit guys, it's actually a kino. Where are my Picardbros...

The details about the supernova/evacuation are from the (canonical) novel that's better than most of the episodes in this season. Basically, the evacuation was fucked from the start, basically because of the Romulans, and Picard had an uphill battle convincing Starfleet to dedicate potentially decades of resources to relocation and relief of an interstellar empire. And then it all falls apart anyway.

okay
1) why hasn't the 'AI singularity' (whatever the fuck that means) happened yet? they have insane magical technology thats probably impossible like teleporters and hyperdrives, but they dont have sentient AIs?
2a) i'm pretty sure there were many indistinguishable-from-human AIs in both physical, computer, and hologram form in TNG and DS9, what makes these 2 cunts special?
3) why would the Romulan secret society choose the evacuation time as the point where they'll "hack the robotic workers" making the ships? do they want their race to die?
4) really, what is the point of this Borg cube at all? why have it in the show? other than "borgs are cool" (which they aren't in the show, just seems like a Borg-themed hotel with other federation species hanging out)

1 - They call it a 'threshold' in the show, so maybe there's a certain level or whatever that's required, maybe it's the point at which AI stops needing humans around at all. I guess we'll find out.
2 - See 1. It's just the writers arbitrarily deciding that this is the bar.
3 - It seems like the way they're portraying it in the show is they get completely mindfucked by this ancient message, probably like the beacons in Mass Effect, getting an entire race's memories or something downloaded into them. Either they're so fucked up they care about this goal more than the survival of their own race, or they engineered the supernova too for some reason?
4 - None really, it seems like the point was to have the one bit of hope we've really seen this season. Hugh rehabilitating the drones in a positive way was kino. But then they killed all of them, so I don't know what the ultimate point was no. At the very least they should have had Seven become a Borg Queen irreversably to set up a big bad for Season 2.

1&2 yeah its just dumb. like i said in tng & ds9 theres several episodes where they get outsmarted by AI. in "Whispers" the engineer guy gets cloned with a perfect emulation of his memories and personality all done by an apparently less advanced civilization which is probably harder than AI cause its wetware. AI singularity is something that should have come and gone by 2400, the only reason people are involved in any of this shit is for fun and larp
3. they dont seem that way. more like scheming spies and politicians, not fanatics (except for the goons)
4. nothing will beat the impact of seeing the borg for the first time, all powerful assimilating AI as part of a hivemind. they're supposed to be mysterious and scary, the more they humanize them the more cringe and unrealistic it is.

imagine being the guy trying to defend this shitpile

>it's actually a kino.
Yes in this episode more people are slaughtered as we learn of yet another MYSTICAL RELIGIOUS PREMONITION that has people bashing their brains out with a rock.
We also get tons of filler drama about the horrid and dreary future of absolute misery and the tragic backstory to our alcoholic and drug abusing cast.
And someone FINALLY tells Picard to shut the fuck up in those words.

You can’t get more Star Trek than this folks.

Are you the leaf who shilled this shit on Yas Forums?

yeah he is leaf on disability, he spams Yas Forums 24/7, he doesn't have a job or friends or anything

Yas Forums is his life

>he thinks the writers of DSC and Picard have actually watched the original Star Trek shows and not just half a dozen of the movies
C'mon man, anyone that's watched the old series can tell you dozens of things per episode the writers fundamentally get wrong. Somehow in the span of about 10-15 years, poverty, drug use, homelessnes, and racism have all started up again, despite humanity finding a way to solve all of those literally a hundred years prior.

This is what really gets me about these reboots. If they wanted to make some BSG reboot dystopia with soap opera plot why the fuck do it in this IP? If you have to put it into Star Trek why the fuck not do a time skip or location skip at the very least.
You can just tell they don’t give two shits.

I miss classic tos androids.

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oh shit guys, its another generic dark gritty scifi show and nothing like actual star trek. whats the fucking point?

>name brand recognition
> writers who don’t care about the original concept
>diversity hires who are hacks hired for quota reasons

The classic series already had a way of handling this, and it was through alien races. The Romulans used to represent this society who were highly isolationist, had a rigid class structure, and kept slaves, and now they've completely flipped the dynamic. it's quite funny how wrong they got it.

All they had to do was set them a hundreds years into the future from the last time we saw Trek at the end of Voyager. That's it. Set it 100 years into the future, the new ship designs make sense, and you can somewhat pull back on things like humanity not having it's shit together because [X event happened 80 years ago and set things back].
But we're not even 20 years out from TNG and we have Starfleet making slave androids even though there was what, like SIX different episodes throughout the various series about how androids and holo-docs shouldn't be treated as slaves, and all of said episodes end with a decree or mandate that stops said slavery.

It's a fucking joke to anyone that's even remotely familiar with Star Trek lore.

>lore

top kek trek fags are seething. what the fuck is you guys problem its just a stupid sci-fi show.

Just look at the whole season as one long episode and it becomes much like an old school next gen era episode.

star fleet was infiltrated, much like the American government was infiltrated, shit happens, changes are made, get over it. How the fuck could a jean luc PICARD series work a hundred years in the future?

Fuck off.

Infiltrated by who? And why do basically the entire population seem to be going along with it?

>whats wrong with you why are you upset that they took the very basic fundamentals of 40 years of Star Trek and shit all over them to make a generic and bland sci-fi-action-show
Imagine being such a NPC that you have no passions or interests outside of shitposting on Yas Forums. Well, you don't have to imagine it, because that's the life you lead, but the rest of us have to imagine.

>Starfleet was infiltrated
Ok, sure. I can believe that, because throughout all of Star Trek there always evil admirals and higher ups. But you know what wouldn't happen with someone infiltrating Star Fleet? The complete and total regression of human society in 10 years. People tend to forget that by the time TOS was on, humanity had solved all of it's bullshit issues (racism, money, class-based-society, drugs, wealth-distribution) about 50 years prior. So for a solid hundred years humans had no concept of racism, or homelessness, or class-hierarchy, or an over-reliance on drugs. And now, suddenly, it's all back, and for all intents and purposes, it was never gone. It's not like all this reemerged in the last 10-15 years between DS9/VOY/TNG and Picard. This is something that has always existed.
It changes the very fundamental dynamics of Star Trek.

>How the fuck could a jean luc PICARD series work a hundred years in the future?
It wouldn't, and you wouldn't make a PICARD series in the first place because it's a terrible idea that has no place in the Trek world.

>Infiltrated by who
Tal Shiar/Mossad

>The complete and total regression of human society in 10 years.

Society has done this in real life, we are being dumbed down on a massive scale.

And they just transformed the masses over night?

It's one of the most high energy activities they're capable of, they can't just do it for everything

imagine resorting to calling an user (who made one post) an NPC because she shit on your 50year old bland generic sci fi show.

>kino
>Picardbros

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Ok, nuTrek-tard

The masses will do whatever their master tell them.

Are you a teenager?

>it’s another episode of Yas Forums post-ironically shilling some curent year trash
I hate reruns

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You don't get to fuck things up just because they're old. If anything, that's all the more reason to treat them with respect. The core of the Star Trek formula has endured all these years for a reason.

Even in a society of super geniuses, where even the plebs are highly cultured and well read?

if you enjoy a tv show that I don't you're a NPC shut in with no passions or interests.

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Yes.

To be honest they should have just set it in the alt Terran Empire if they wanted to try and force political messages about the current state of humanity.

Or do what every other Star Trek show did, and use aliens to represent aspects of humanity that the writers felt we needed to rise above.

Yet the writers have shown they aren't even remotely "subtle" at all so they need to hit it right on the nose and hammer in the message for audiences.

No, over the course of several decades

well we don't actually or hardly ever get to see earth's future populations, only what we were told by members of Starfleet in various episodes and some of the movies. The so called elite (Starfleet) (goverments) can think its all perfect society but the guy who has too make the replicators might be pissed off and tired.

No, it hasn't. There's not even a remotely comparable difference. Humanity in real-Trek was at a golden age. There's even episodes specifically dedicated to having people from the 20th century travel to the future via one means or another, and the out of place person can't fathom how much has changed, nor can the crew fathom how much different things are from when the out-of-time person is from.

That's the whole crutch of an entire episode. Racism was so dead in StarFleet and humanity, that a black lady didn't even understand it was an insult to be called a negress by an out-of-time Space Abe Lincoln, and couldn't wrap her head around the idea of racism. That's the beauty of Star Trek. Everyone had a role to play, and no one was left behind. They didn't' just abandon entire swathes of their brothers to be homeless and addicted to drugs.

educate yourself:
youtube.com/watch?v=UTtCI61p0Us

>Star Trek
>bland and generic
get the fuck out of here you edgelord. Star Trek was about the absolute peak of humanity and what we could accomplish if we just put all our shit behind us and worked together. That's all completely out the window now that racism and xenophobia and hard drugs and homlessness and all the other material problems they solved a hundred years ago have now resurfaced.

You can just replicate a replicator, retard.

Ahum .. I never liked Icheb.

one mans golden age is another man's hell.

>its a mass effect knockoff dressed up as star trek

can you replicate body parts, like hands and feet? or new spinal cords?

In theory. I guess there would be restrictions on consumer grade models though.

Woke progressives aren't men.

what if I wanted to be homeless and addicted to drugs to escape cunts like picard and his judgemental ways

>hello and welcome, you can have and do pretty much anything and the only limit to your rights is where other people's rights begin
>THIS IS HORRIBLE I WANT RACISM AND XENOPHOBIA AND OIL SHEIKS RUNNING ALL OF SOCIETY

Except like, that's not how it worked in Star Trek, that's not how it's ever worked in Star Trek.

In Star Trek, everyone in humanity has a place. Whether it's a dock worker or a ship captain, they all have their place and they work for the betterment of humanity, because humanity had reached it's golden properous age where no man woman or child had wants or needs, everything was taken care of them for them, so much so that they completely phased out money and the drive for material possessions, racism and xenophobia, drug-abuse and drug-dependence, hunger, starvation and homelessness. This is one of the core, fundamental aspects of Star Trek and is what the entire series hinges on.

Now, in Picard, they're saying that there's homeless people, they're drug addicted, people are still obsessed with what they don't have that others do, theres anger and resentment everywhere...
To put it simply, the Humanity that is shown in Picard would have never made it to the heights required for them to become an inter-stellar species that is a major part of the alien federation of planets.. That's why this is all so jarring for actual trek fans. What they're showing in Picard fundamentally clashes with everything we've already seen and have already known for 40+ years of Star Trek shows and movies.

There's probably a holodeck program for that.

It wouldn't even be an option because homelessness and drug-abuse are completely and totally foreign concepts in real-Trek. That's my point. Humanity eradicated all it's bad desires HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. Racism and homelessness and drug abuse are such foreign concepts to these people that you might as well be speaking a completely different language.

Well, here's a replicator. Replicate all the drugs you want. You're also able to replicate a house. Have fun.

People who hate Star Trek (JJ & Kurtsman) want to destroy it and make money while doing it.

and its because, at it's deepest core, star trek is
>what if there were no jews?

>she
So this is coordinated and you both know each other? and in fact this """"she"""" is probably a fucking tranny.
Kill yourselves

or its a samefag

damn it really did copy Mass Effect

Either way it completely backfired on him, coordinated shitposting groups and trannies were a fucking mistake.

based Eugenics War

We've already been on this path for 80+ years, the federation was not.

Nutrek shills are fags

>130664821
There's a pill for that. Remember Star Trek IV?

so they (the masters) restrict the earth plebs? doesent sound like a golden age to me, more like a dictatorship.

>we can have these things but you cant

>you can't restrict anything from people ever
That's not how a society works, friend.

>i can't build a skyscraper out of spinal columns? this is dictatorship

there will still be replacements for racism ,xenophobia , and star fleet hogging all the best star ships in the furtue ie people who don't want to better themselves will be vilified and abused.

>so they (the masters) restrict the earth plebs? doesent sound like a golden age to me, more like a dictatorship.
>>we can have these things but you cant

Sounds like PICARD not Star Trek.

>wouldn't happen
It was all there, boiling and waiting to be released.
Think USSR 1985-1995.
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