/Who/ - Doctor Who General

Only the American broadcasts had that.

as I remember it he also disguised himself as a vicar (the Rev'd Magister)

What are the Daleks up to?

Holy Quints. Anyway, the UK version of Netflix only has the American cut of Doctor Who.

Checked, but we also had it here in Australia

That's stupid. Weren't they edited down for ad breaks?

Also wondering this. Do I even want to know what mess they've made of the master/missy and the cybermens?

Yeah. The main thing I remember being cut is:

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But there's probably a lot more I can't remember.

What if they bring Romana back...
As a man?

That's sexist. Quiet incel.

Could be good but it's not blowing my mind with instant Doctor dynamics.
Now, a male Rani? Now we're talking

ROMANA = OR A MAN

Should've done a JK Rowling and called himself Emmett Sharia.

romana can be a man but he still has to pretty af.

>inb4 they cast James Corden as nu-Romana

Make Romana the mirror opposite of the Doctor. She's just thrilled to have a dick for the first time, and can't stop watching Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, and driving around in monster trucks, firing assault rifles, and being a massive patriarch all over the place.

>tfw only 15964 days until the Doctor Who 100th anniversarry

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>yfw they literally resurrect all of the actors through cloning, and film a five hour special of them beating up Chibnall clones
Truly the based era.

i fucking hate doctor who

HOLY SHIT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. WHAT THE FUCK HAS HE DONE. FUCK FUCK FUCK. HOLY FUCK. I KNOW THERE IS AN AGENDA TO BROWN THE ENTIRE FUCKING POPULATION AND DESTROY WHITE MALE CULTURE ENTIRELY BUT FUCK.
RET CON RIGHT FUCKING NOW. CAPALDI WENT TOO FAR. SMITH WAKES UP AND IT WAS ALL A BAD FUCKING DREAM.

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Is it the london one?

Watched Cushing's movies, has to be said that streamlining the plot did it more favors than harm. But they should've also cut the number of characters, Barbara and especially Louise were one of the most useless characters I've ever seen (unlike the TV show the movies follow the old trend of female characters being nothing but eye candy much more closely). Cushing was fine as a Doctor-like character, but the script gave him tragically little to do or say due to the overabundance of other characters and a lot of action scenes he naturally wasn't a part of.

Movie Susan, on the contrary, was an improvement over the TV Susan (actually is a little girl, doesn't scream - which was an annoying stereotype that the TV show used a lot of in the first seasons). The second movie did lose the important romantic subplot with her, but that only existed to write TV Susan out of the show so it's not a huge deal.

Daleks felt a bit disappointing - more or less the same as TV Daleks, but the justifications for their plans were made more retarded to make them seem oooooh so eeeeevil - which they are, of course, but not as comically. In general, all of the extra slapstick comedy didn't work well.

I didn't find the movies terrible compared to the corresponding TV serials, they are better paced, they certainly look better - if perhaps less mysterious, ironically because of the better sets and effects (TV with its shoestring budget had to rely on some genuinely weird shit to make things look alien). Characterization and certain plot details were definitely better in the serials, on the other hand — so I still rate them higher than the movies.

Capaldi era was fine, ain't nothing wrong with taking jabs at racism and shit in an otherwise decent enough script (even though he got the short end of the stick with scripts during the Moff years).

But I am pissed a little after rewatching Twice Upon a Time after actually watching all of the First Doctor serials and seeing the Doctor being a bit of a condescending prick to everyone equally — but not being sexist at all (many stories were, but not the character; he didn't exactly call others out on sexism, but he was also less prone to willingly intervene in general back in the day, so it's no wonder).

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Sorry but the overt bullshit started in the Capaldi era.

1. Black washing- Victorian England was not filled to the brim with darkies. There were almost none.

2 Woke story lines.

3. The erosion of the Doctor's identity- Missy, then the general or whatever the fuck on Galifrey regenerating into a diverse female. It set things up for the clusterfuck of a show we have now.

Equality is great. Supremacy is not.

Best McCoy

>he still gets seethed by 3 lines
get over it lmao

You can literally just reboot from the dream spider episode.

>1. Black washing- Victorian England was not filled to the brim with darkies. There were almost none.
It also didn't have a Loch Ness monster in the Thames, or lesbian lizardmen detectives. I'm not at all well-versed in British history, I bet you're right and Victorian England wasn't half black, but historical accuracy isn't exactly a strong point of this show that constantly messes with history and the viewers' impressions of it, it plays the "you just think it was like that" card all of the time.

>2 Woke story lines.
Has been a thing since the First Doctor, it didn't put things in such bold text as is trendier to do right now, but it constantly alluded to racism and exploitation, that sort of stuff which was pretty woke for the time period. Daleks notwithstanding, you had stuff like The Ark and The Savages that were brutal in their allegories.

There was even a serial about people ruining ecology, the horror. That said, even though it was one of the weakest ones, it was still better than Orphan 55 and no worse than Praxeus...

>3. The erosion of the Doctor's identity- Missy, then the general or whatever the fuck on Galifrey regenerating into a diverse female. It set things up for the clusterfuck of a show we have now.

Doctor's gender is not really a part of Doctor's overall identity. Yeah, some of the regenerations acted manly by human standards, but some were just alien, the Doctor might as well be a dickgirl and nothing will practically change as long as you keep him/her looking human for the purposes of the stories. The clusterfuck that we have right now is because Chibnall is incompetent and forgets that we also need a plot, not just a boring moral lecture.

I have problems with Moff adding extra wokeness where the story suffered for it (mostly just Twice Upon a Time), but it was still very mild compared to the shitshow that we are having right now.

>1 Black washing- Victorian England was not filled to the brim with darkies. There were almost none.
Was it even filled to the brim? Bill just said it was more than she expected.
Also who cares lmao

>2 Woke story lines.
Which woke storylines?

>3. The erosion of the Doctor's identity- Missy, then the general or whatever the fuck on Galifrey regenerating into a diverse female. It set things up for the clusterfuck of a show we have now.
How does any of it erode the Doctor's identity? How was the Doctor's identity eroded in an era that spent most of its time reinforcing his values? The values defined by the "I'm the Doctor" identity even?

>Equality is great. Supremacy is not.
Based platitude. Do you like Clara's character arc of the companion becoming equal to the Doctor? What are your thoughts on the Hybrid situation?

>lol, science fiction elements in a science fiction show, therefore reality just goes completely out the window. What if instead of Martin Luther King we had a talking rabbit? IT'S FICTION, IDIOT

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Can you creatures at least try to pretend you've actually watched the show.

>Doctor's gender is not really a part of Doctor's overall identity.
Yes it is. Stop peddling this nonsense

Ratings: The consolidated seven-day rating for Doctor Who finale, The Timeless Children, was 4.69m (4.55m on televisions and 0.14m on other devices). It was the 30th most-watched programme of the week across all television.

Perhaps surprisingly, that rating makes the final episode the lowest-rated of the season by some considerable way (the next lowest was Ep 7 with 4.90m), and 4.69m is the lowest seven-day rating Doctor Who has achieved since its 2005 comeback. (Please don't shoot the messenger.)

AI: 82

doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-12-2020-uk-ratings-accumulator-91601.htm

WILDERNESS ERA 2 BABY LETS GO

Explain to me how

kek, didnt even hit 5m

for a finale

He's a patriarchal figure, through and through.

Don't series finales usually have increased ratings? The BBC must regret begging Chibnall to be the showrunner.

Imagine any Doctor as woman. Falls apart immediately.

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S11 finale: 6.65m
S12 finale: 4.69m

wow lads

S11 finale overnight: 5.32m
S12 finale overnight: 3.78m

It might not seem immediately obvious, but the Doctor is probably one of the most white, male characters in fiction. He's pretty much a personification of the whole British Victorian outlook on the world. He goes where he pleases, does what he pleases, kills who he pleases, topples governments, takes his pick of the women, and he's allowed to do it because he's just smarter than you are and morally superior to boot. The Doctor IS the patriarchy and colonialism on a certain level, which is why the deconstructionists were so eager to get their hands on him and make him anything but that.

RATINGS: The series finale of #DoctorWho consolidated to an underwhelming 4.69m according to 7-day figures (inc. devices), making it the 30th most-watched show of the week.

Not only is that the lowest of the series, it's the lowest 7-day rating since the show returned in 2005.

I think Doctor Clala would be okay.

The doctor is a white male. This has been established over the past 50 years.
Make a show about a cool female galifreyan. Make her balck or yellow or purple for all I care, but don't shoehorn in some bullshit.

S

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I liked the second Dalek movie better entirely on the basis of just doing away with Steven's character entirely and replacing him with a different character altogether, because that was preferrable to turning him into a bumbling comic relief like he was in the first movie. In the TV series, he's the one who gives the Thals their rousing speech to fight back, but in the movie it's given to the Doctor.

So 1m who watched Fugitive didnt even bother coming back for the finale either. At least 1m didnt give a fuck about the arc.

The finale was the lowest rating of the whole series.

KEK

GG Chibnall

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THE CHAD CREW

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Jodie Whittaker's first episode in 2018 had 10.54m after 7-days. The previous series finale had 6.48m.

This series started off with 6.89m after 7-days, which means it's lost more than 2m by the end of the series.

Something's gone wrong.

The Woman Who Fell to Earth: 10.95m people watched it
The Timeless Children: 4.69m people watched it

This. I'm just surprised it took them so long.

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Not really? While it would be no doubt much harder for the Doctor to act as a plot driver in historical stories, considering sexism was the norm throughout the last several thousand years, I can imagine a genderswapped Hartnell exasperating "you ignorant whippersnappers" left and right just fine.

(for reference, I do have complaints with how Jodie acts the character, but it's more to do with an utter lack of charisma, something Jo Martin for example seems to have plenty of)

I probably watched no less of it than you did, unless you got through all of the classic Who.

How does the BBC calculate ratings? They always seem to add a million or two on top of these numbers, and I'm not even sure when did it start.

The Timeless Children is the worst episode of the entire show.

Learning that it got the worst ratings of all NuWho has made my day.

That is a good point, although a lot of what the Doctor topples looks suspiciously like British Victorians.

>Learning that it got the worst ratings of all NuWho has made my day.

kek

imagine if the upcoming Dalek special slumped under 3m overnight, becoming the worst rated episode ever.

I've seen all of classic who. Like every other ideologue shitting on these franchises, you sound like you skimmed the wiki.

It was Ian in the first movie (though still a completely different character from TV Ian, and indeed only good for comic relief), but yeah, your point stands and I agree.

One can only hope.

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The Capaldi era only failed to reach 5m in consolidates twice.

Lie of the Land: 4.82m
Eaters of Light: 4.73m

Both still higher than the Timeless Children figure, and the Whittaker era has already failed to reach 5m 4 times.

Yeah, I meant Ian, not Steven.