Why didn't they use the timestone to save him?

It worked on vision.

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cuz they dont want to pay RDJ anymore

Or just use pym particles. As shown by the end of the movie with Steve's and Thanos/Nebula's scenes, they can go back in time, change whatever and it won't affect the future

Why didn't he disassemble the gauntlet? it's made of nanomachines, he can switch them off and they become a pile of dust, to use the stones you need the gauntlet, without it they can't be used together, so Thanos can't win, and he was already loosing hard. It was an incredible unnecesary sacrifice

There were probably no left, on the other hand some aliens might have developed them too it's not like pym was more advances than the rest of the galaxy right?

Yeah but they could've written it so that it makes at least some sense.

>No left
Nigga, Pym is alive and he can create them any time

Because whoever wrote the script was a fucking idiot.

I don't know, but Cap for sure could've been saved in the sense that Falcon wouldn't have to take over for him. If you remember, when Hulk was experimenting with Ant Man, he managed to turn his age backwards a few times.
That means old man Cap could be rejuvenated using the same technology. In fact, it means the Marvel universe officially has a cure for death lmao. Too many plotholes.

Vision came back?

Wanda destroys mind stone killing Vision
Thanos uses time stone to bring Vision back and retrieve the stone

How come Captain America went back and time and still showed up in their timeline?
Wasn't the entire thing about their type of time travel that they couldn't actually affect anything in their timeline, that's why they had to go and bring back? If they could do whatever and it would still affect the current timeline, why not just go back in time and do the old "kill Hitler while he's a baby" routine?

I still don't understand how they didn't effect the/some future by changing the past

Yes with all the shit they introduced there can't be any consequences anymore. It was already strange when they didn't called for help in the solomovies but now death is just a joke unless the writer says it isn't.

I always found that odd in previous one.
>let's potentially sacrifice half the fucking galaxy and all these random Wakandan niggers who has no reason to help us just so Wanda can keep fucking her sexbot, instead of just destroying the stone while we still can

You see... you view this from a very low IQ perspective. You already lost by assuming that the time travel will make sense and the rules will be followed. But even the writers and director can't agree how it works.

Because its her turn now.

"We don't trade lives" was literally Steve's answer to that.
Vision is a living being, some people would be ok killing an innocent person to save millions, others wouldn't. They all agreed with Steve

Why didn't they just took the timestone (which was the easiest to get) and restored the stones in the original timeline before thanos destroyed them?

Why didn't the sorcerer create portals and send all thanos' army into a volcano?

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1 in 14.000.000 is so bs.

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I know, just seemed like such a retarded idea. Especially coming from a soldier who's entire career is about trading their lives for the safety of the many.
Literally half the goddamn fucking universe is at stake. Vision shouldn't even have given them the option to save him.

Hyper smart experto on robotics (even though there's NONE in wakanda) said she was able to remove the stone in 1 hour...she had 2 and failed. Maybe next time don't trust the woman who says she's an expert in something her country lacks

>1 in 14.000.000
>3 people (2 if you don't count vision as a person) had to die still
Strange could've solo'd non-stones Thanos but of course there had to be a convenient tsunami situation.

we could have created a portal on the tsunami and it would have fixed his problem

>Hank Pym
>going to all that trouble just to save Howard Stark's douchebro vermin offspring

Nah.

Why did Tony snap at all? Carol was right there, in the middle of man-handling Thanos with ease.

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>OH NOOO NOT TONIRINO

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GROW UPO FAGGOTS

Nothing makes sense in this stupid shit of a movie. It was a joyless ride, borderline sinister, even ends with a funeral.

Time travel and resurrections are never a good idea to implement in any story, change my mind.

you need to make the normie cry

Based and Pympilled

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>for the safety of the many.
Thanos and his armies are coming to Earth, Mind Stone or no Mind Stone. Murdering Vision isn't going to make them leave Earth alone, they'll just try to kill half the planet's population the same as you're shown them doing on Gamora's world.
The soldiers who die fighting Thanos aren't being sacrificed to protect Vision, they're fighting to protect the whole world, how do people not understand this?

Impossible to do, you are correct.

I assume because you'd need all the atoms they were reduced to in order to use the time stone to reverse the effects.

Making a change in the past creates a parallel timeline from the one you came from. So if you travel back to yesterday and kill your boss, then return to where you came from, your boss will still be alive in your reality, but there's another reality out there where your boss was killed (by you).
While this method of time travel allows for some needed flexibility, it also needs some containment because it opens a huge can of worms since it's virtually limitless in the possibilities it can offer to characters, but the movie doesn't really establish any containment in any logical way, and in fact it reinforces certain story-breaking aspects and so plotholes ensue.
Dogfucker's review highlights essentially all the issues witht the timetravel in the movie.

you know what weapon is really useful against intergalactic warlords that hold their own against captain marvel and literal demigods like Thor?
that’s right, a glock

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He signed a DNR so it would have been immoral.

>death is just a joke

it always has been in capeshit, nobody stays dead in comics or comic movies. Even without the magic asspull rocks they did things like resurrect Bucky.

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>master assassin and spy
>entire arsenal is composed of glocks and pieces of rebar

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Strange wanted Tony dead

It used to be Uncle Ben, Bucky, and Jason Todd. Not it’s only Uncle Ben.

>captain black america, avenger of chicken wings

It's pretty based to use a fucking pistol in a battle that decides the fate of the universe

Forgetting Gwen Stacy?

If it won't affect the future, then how will going back to save Tony bring Tony back in the current timeline?
Unless you mean steal Tony from a previous timeline, in which case, I suppose you are correct, although you are dooming an alternate timeline to be without Tony.

>although you are dooming an alternate timeline to be without Tony.
You won't, proved by the movie. Timelines only branch if you steal a stone, you're stealing Tony, not a stone, so don't doom shit.

And by don't affecting the present I mean you can kill past Nebula and don't affect modern Nebula, or go back to past have a life with Carter and don't affect anything either, etc

>because he is a white male and they secretly want to replace him with a nigger female.

>Timelines only branch if you steal a stone, you're stealing Tony, not a stone, so don't doom shit.
That's not how time travel works.
So if you go back in time and don't steal a stone, the timeline doesn't branch and you can affect the future? When Clint went and took his daughter's baseball glove as the test, did that affect the future?
The timeline always branches when you travel back in time.
>And by don't affecting the present I mean you can kill past Nebula and don't affect modern Nebula, or go back to past have a life with Carter and don't affect anything either, etc
Yes, because they are alternate branching timelines. I agree with you here.

Because the gauntlet was fucked and it would kill the next user just like Tony anyway, only Thanos could handle the energy of the stones

/thread

>That's not how time travel works.
Time travel will never work work. It will never make sense in fiction and it will never exist in reality.

because iron guy heard iron lady say
>you can rest
and he just fucking died of embarrassment for having heard such a dogshit line.

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>only Thanos could handle the energy
You're joking right?
Strange already used the timestone casually and was already back after Hulk-reverse-snap.
And there are other powerful people that were reight there scarlett, marvel, ......

Franchises have their own clear set of rules for time travel, and they usually fall in like three different commonly accepted categories as to not confuse audiences all the time.
Time travel in the MCU works just like you would expect it to, as described by the Hulk and as presented in the story.

Damage caused by all 6 stones is irreversible and permanent (it isn't like that in the comics, but the movies go by different rules, I guess)

Yeah maybe. He was damaged by a combination of the time stone so maybe even reversing time itself cannot heal his wounds.

Yeah

Also regarding time travel, taking Tony Stark out of the past will only doom the future of the timeline you take him out of, thus making that a bad moral choice

It would undo what killed him, the snap, thus bringing Thanos and his army back.

Why didn't Dr. Freeze time when Banner landed in his house and warned them?

I agree with you there mate, but I was talking more about being able to reverse time on the spot, kind of like how Thanos did with Vision or Strange did with the apple.

Cacks without one last quip...
He should have done the Bill Murray thing from Zombieland.

Wow, I botched that, fucking Jack Daniels

Hi Freeze, I'm Batman

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>Damage caused by all 6 stones is irreversible
You mean turning half of all life to dust can't be reversed?

Who is more rich? Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne?

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Think of the symbolism of sending two white characters to the vaporwave planet to steal the soul stone from a zombie Nazi. The white man, Hawkeye, and white woman, Black Widow, must make a deal with Red Skull to sacrifice one or the other to obtain the soul stone for victory over a nonwhite invader. Renner, a goy, is tricked by Johansson, a Jew, into surviving to obtain the soul stone after her death. Their names further convey the Jew-Gentile divide: Clint Barton and Natasha Romanov are nods to the common American and Eastern European (Jewish) name. When forced to make a deal with Red Skull, who represents National Socialism, the Jew has to the die for the white man to win. Furthermore, Black Widow isn’t presented as Jewish, so the viewer sees the shire woman being sacrificed at the behest of the white man. Black Widows actual Jewishness is obscured to dissuade the white man from making the easy choice for if he knew that the supposed white woman was actually a Jew, he’d know to toss her himself. Unfortunately, the soul stone requires the sacrificed person be loved and that premise is dependent upon Widow being a white woman. This is a clever trick to further fool the white man.

It was established earlier in the movie and implied in Infinity War that the damage (or you could say recoil) done by the 6 stones on the user was irreversible (because Thanos would've fixed his arm at the end of Infinity War)

I think Strange probably could have tried something, but considering Infinity War could've been prevented in the first place if Strange just froze Thanos in time to take off his gauntlet, I don't think he likes to mess with time like he did in his title movie. He saw Tony's sacrifice as the only way they would be able to win and if was able to reverse time or saw another option to save Tony, he probably would have

desu, it all just seems like tedious writing that makes a convenient death for Tony