Did anyone else stop watching this when they steered away from time travel?

This is based on romance novels by the same name it is a romance series

>Chad fucks Stacy raw: the show
You are literally a fucking cuck if you watch this show and I hope you die for your simping.

Historically, there were a bunch of *loyalist* Scottish Highlanders in North Carolina, which is funny since they were literally from Jacobite families. They valued Monarchism and the divine right of kings, so they didnt really join hands with the Republican Americans.

>>Finally kill him
They killed off their arch villain during what was essentially a cliffnote tying up a cliffhanger battle they hyped up to no end and held off showing until the last minute. Quite lame to be honest.

dougal did nothing wrong

Inkwell, you *must* have sex.

I read how book fans were pissed at the actress they cast as the daughter and especially how she blatantly has brown eyes despite how the book goes on and on about her having her father's blue eyes all the time. Quite incompetant of the showrunners. That's the type of deviation that should piss me off too were something adapting a book I cared about.

spin-off when?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_John_series

huh, pretty interesting.
> One thing missing from Fleming’s excellent article, however, is the inconvenient truth that eighteenth-century Scots largely disavowed the American Revolution. In both Scotland and America, the overwhelming majority of Scots rejected colonial theories about the rights of Englishmen and remained loyal to the British crown. Scottish emigrants, more often than not, became Loyalists and participated in large numbers in the armed provincial regiments.

allthingsliberty.com/2013/10/scotland-american-revolution/

This show developed the best method of how to age a character across decades: do absolutely nothing and make the audience deal with it. Take notes Scorsese.
>Well of course I'm 25 years older, I need to wear reading glasses now.
>Why yes I am in my early 50s, can't you see the slight streak of grey in my hair (that I'm about to promptly dye)?

The Scots/Americans have this bizarre of now how they were invaded and enslaved by the English rather than bought into a union via consensual parliamentary acts (albeit the English used their leverage over the Scots who were struggling economically during that time). Oh, and the Scottish Enlightenment happened after 1707 so they were not robbed of some golden age or anything and they held a disproportionately high amount of influence in the government, military, and colonial administration especially India; quite ironic coming from a people bitching about being an English colony! They were fully a part of the imperial machine, and stuff like Gaelic/Scots dissipating in Scotland itself is something I gather came from policies enforced by local elites rather than the English.

Honestly, I think Braveheart as a film has done immeasurable harm to the country and the Scottish, and certain firmly bolstered their unearnt victim cimplex.

It's not nearly as bad as British show called Poldark. The show's timeline is from 1783 to 1801 and the characters do not age one bit. Not even a small streak of grey hair or glasses.

I think so and the SNP of course peddle this borderline xenophobic mythology. At least they lost the referendum.

damn
i stopped watching when he raped jaime, maybe i have to catch up

Not too surprising when you look at Canada desu. The first Prime Minister of Canada was born in Scotland, and despite being one of the proponents of Canadian autonomy and national identity, he also labelled himself as British and was quite conservative in keeping Canada "British" (Quebec ofc not being the biggest fan)
Some of the major British generals in the French and Indian war were also Scots. Abercrombie, the infamous Braddock, and the governors of Virginia (Robert Dinwiddie and the Earl of Loudon) were Scotsmen.

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Yeah, I'm reading this at the moment actually. The disproportion of Scots is pretty noticeable.

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Aren't they dipping in popularity now? So basically similar to how UKIP had its moment in the sun before before sinking into pure irrelevancy.

>They were fully a part of the imperial machine, and stuff like Gaelic/Scots dissipating in Scotland itself is something I gather came from policies enforced by local elites rather than the English.
That's the funny thing; Scotland itself always had a Germanic population (the Scots speakers) who didnt speak Gaelic and really had little to do with the Highlanders, beyond a shared allegiance to the same crown and using the same name for themselves (Scots). Scots is a Germanic language which began to replace Gaelic long before the English arrived, and the Edinburgh government had tried to "civilize" or at least assimilate the Highlanders before that too (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_Adventurers_of_Fife)
>The Gentleman Adventurers of Fife or Fife Adventurers were a group of 12 noblemen-"colonists" from eastern Fife awarded rights from King James VI to colonise the Isle of Lewis in 1598, the irony being that the island was already inhabited by Scottish citizens.
That being said, I think most Scottish resentment these days stems from Margaret Thatcher doing what she did, coupled with Brexit. Most Scots I have met are sensible enough to agree that medieval and 18th century Jacobite politics are not something to base your politics on, they just said they vote SNP because they're social-Democrat hipsters and dislike the Conservative party.

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Not to mention actual Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom like Gladstone and MacDonald. The Scots have firmly been a part of British politics both at home and in the colonies and the imperial machine. This narrative they were nothing but downtrodden slaves of the English and comparable to African natives or the Indians is utterly asinine and historically inaccurate.

They still control Scotland, they dominated the last election due to Labour bullshit turning normal people away from radical left politics.

Scottish can't vote Tory or they're basically race traitors, it's utterly stupid. Same with Liverpool, I love this city in some ways but it can be braindead when politics gets involved.

Nah, they did really well in the latest general election in December (they won 48 out of the 59 total Scottish constituencies).
Their problem is that the Conservative Party won such a comfortable majority that they don't really have to listen to the SNP.

Exactly this, thank you for articulating that. I used to like the Scots but nowadays they make liking them very hard with all their pathetic whining and ressentiment.

Nice, I read the exact same book. I always knew Scots were well represented because my dad is one, and he considers the British Empire to be something to brag and boast about lmao. I was raised being told about the exploits of this and that Scotsman and that Scots have high IQ, big dicks, good looks and that God is Scottish too.
Too bad I always liked my German mum more. Germans actually manage to qualify for the World Cup kek.

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I always wonder more how the Welsh were regarded during the zenith of the Empire. The Scots had their disproportionate influence and the Irish were in that unique position where they were a part of the UK and citizens of it but still regarded differently. Not quite a colony but occupying a unique position in the nation, hence all the Home Rule bills and debates. The Welsh seem a bit overlooked in comparison outside of references to the coal mining and the unions conflicting with the government

They're stable and maybe even rising, they dominate politics in Scotland atm, albeit Salmond lost his seat to a tory like 2 GEs ago (fucking hell, what a mess it has been since 2016). Boris is so unpopular in Scotland that even my staunchly unionist, SNP hating, dad is probably planning on doing a Harvey Oswald on him.
Westminster really fucked it up with Brexit, in terms of Unionism. I think Scotland would concede if the UK ended up like Norway (the SNP's model nation), but the Tories seem really adamant about keeping No Deal alive as a possibility.

Some of the Victorian to Edwardian era soldiers looked like they had good genes. Pic related is Sidney Street in 1911 and the soldier on the left is from some Highland regiment.

Oh shit, forgot the picture. Here it is. And that's Churchill staring directly at the camera.

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It's probably a lot to do with being annexed by Edward I so early and without having cohered into a welsh kingdom as such prior to it.

Oh no I agree. The Irish have genuine grievances, as evidenced by their island's chronic poverty until the 1980s, but Scotland's cities were a booming center of industry and commerce (capital of the tobacco trade, built half of the world's ships at one point, intellectual enlightenment center, etc.) up until the Empire collapsed. Nowadays they're de-industrialized and poorer than the London area, but so is literally the entire UK outside the southeast (england is Spain/Italy tier if you remove London from the equation). Centralization on London really ruins the UK; it would be really nice if they adopted some Swiss style system federation (Canton level autonomy, so even Edinburgh and Glasgow can govern themselves differently). Switzerland appears to be doing very well for itself as a multilingual state, no secessionist movement there.

The Welsh got beaten so early they basically just lost their identity and got absorbed. It was only in modern times the importance of their own cultural identity resurged.

It's tricky for them because they basically got raped/bred out of any distinct racial identity (which the Scots and Irish held onto for much longer, even if it's all irrelevant in the face of mass Muslim immigraton and rapegangs now).

>Catalonia
>Scotland
>Quebec
What makes them such angry places?

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My grandpa is hooked on this in Netflix, should I tell him about the brutal gay homosexual rape scene?

Yes, the brain drain to London/Home Counties. My grandparents are Welsh but got acquainted with Indian immigrants (doctors) in south Wales as early as the 50's because all the local boys that qualified as doctors got sucked into London and the south-east so shuffled off the coloureds to elsewhere in the country.

Isn't it like 2/3 of the way through S1? He's probably already seen it.

Welsh identity has been going *up* in recent times, and their status as a home nation equal to Scotland and England is quite a recent phenomenon.
Since Wales was conquered by force in the Medieval era, and formally annexed by Henry VIII (if I recall correctly), it was always considered a part of England that just happened to speak a Breton language, just like Cumbria or Cornwall. They were oppressed in that they were denied their own nationhood, but they werent genocided or anything like that, and Shakespeare even wrote the great king Henry V as being a "proud Welshman" in his play. The Welsh language went into actual decline when standardized schooling decided that everyone had to know English, so kids had the Welsh beaten out of them in School as they learned how to read and write in English. France did a similar thing in teaching everyone Parisian French, at the expense of Breton or Occitan or Alsatian, etc. Anyway, iirc Wales only got it's own official flag in 1964 or so. They're resurging in the modern era, not dying out.

Nowadays, the youth are more likely to call themselves Welsh than their grandparents, which is seemingly paradoxical since everywhere else in the world local identities have been losing ground to the greater overall identity.

Seems to be gaining a revivial though what with them having far more success reviving the Welsh language than either the Scots or the Irish, eisteddfod etc. There's also things like a very specific reverence for rugby unique to them. It occupies something in between a proper national identity and a UK regional one comparable to Yorkshire identity or something.

>Nowadays, the youth are more likely to call themselves Welsh than their grandparents
Interesting, as my Welsh grandparents had a very strong sense of a Welsh identity despite being raised during the war, the days of the Empire, grandfather doing national service in the 50's, etc.

Still, I would like to become acquainted with my Welsh background (as that's what I am in my entirety. Parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, etc. all Welsh). People of Indian background raised in the UK have this phrase 'coconut' to denote someone not connected that much to their heritage (brown outside, white inside). Don't consume Indian films and music, doesn't speak their ancestral language, etc. I'd be the Welsh equivalent of that, so some greater revivial of the culture that I can become acquainted with a few years down the line is something that brings me some happiness.

Was a bit on the nose when his daughter is raped but then I remembered these books are for women.

I stopped watching when half the episodes were sex scenes, largely because I was watching this show with my parents

I liked the bald chad though

The show's largely written by women, with a female protagonist and based on books by a woman and there's a fairly liberal amount of rape.
I find the whole hypocrisy over rape in GoT to be fucking hilarious; women's groups complain about rape and then when women are actually in charge of a show in that same sort of 'swords and tits' genre it ends up being filled with rape.

Yeah, I'm learning German because my mum didnt teach me a word, but I want to be connected to that side of the family (plus, I am a citizen of Germany too, so I might as well learn it).
My dad is a weird case. Super proud of being Scottish, at least he acts that way, but he also considers Gaelic revival to be "silly and a waste of time". He has a family kilt that was owned by my great grandad and passed on to us, he taught me how to wear Highlander kit properly, he taught me all about Robert the Bruce and about Scottish engineers and inventors, but for some reason he really has no interest in keeping Gaelic or Scots alive as languages. He's not a sour Monolingual mind you, he speaks fluent Spanish, Portuguese, good German, etc. He just doesnt bother with minority languages.

kek, some of them like the wedding episode is basically just a sex scene.

Some people are like that. Stuck in their ways after early in life they get into their heads that something is nonsense or a waste of time. Maybe he has this very utilitarian approach where he thinks Scots should bother to be very eloquent English speakers (as its lingua franca) and learn one with far more outreach and use like German. Stuff like learning the history, keep some traditions alive and family heirlooms, etc. as more of a 'simply is' quality (if that makes sense), whereas you're going to great pains to learn Gaelic/Scots. Still odd he doesn't care about them being preserved in any fashion.

>The Scots/Americans have this bizarre of now how they were invaded and enslaved by the English

I see more Englishmen believing this shit than Scottish people.

I stopped watching this when my free trial for showtime expired. Or was it Starz? I can't remember. She has nice tits though.

>when they steered away from time travel
didn't that happen in the first episode?

i don't get why the future characters aren't constantly worried about affecting the course of history

I'm guessing they mean the fact that by midway through s4 the whole 'time-travel' element is rendered irrelevant since every major character from 'the future' is either dead or is in the past with no desire to return. After that it's basically just a regular period drama.

hmm Roger understandably wants to go back

They haven't been innuated with all the time travel pop culture we have given and/or accepted it's all a closed loop, like how trying in to prevent Culloden they ensured that it occur.

It's Starz, they've produced a surprisingly good amount of historical dramas considering they have the trashiest name of any television network.