I shivered when I saw this

I shivered when I saw this

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normal words

I dabbed when i saw this

but a horse guy

>it's exactly like how it was before you were born

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this

>lawl, atheism

*yawn*

how did the writers finally solve this mystery wow

>being realistic is an atheist plot against you

IF the conditions have existed that allowed you to be born (they have).

AND the universe is on a repeating cycle or it is truly infinite.

THEN you will be born again, eventually.

It's simple computation, folks.

but there is no reason to believe the universe is on a repeating cycle

>im the default

I posted "sneed" in a Simpson's thread when I saw this

It's not proven that the universe is on a repeating cycle

After the black hole era there should be nothing left

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

There's so many reasons to believe anything.

I mean there might be an afterlife, but there is absolutely no reason to assume there is. Nothing sure as fuck seems like the most plausible end

Scientifically speaking, there's no reason to assume you wouldn't experience consciousness in some other form as something else entirely if there is no afterlife. If consciousness is just chemical reactions occurring in the brain of a species, then we are all part of the same consciousness, we can only experience one at a time.

>THEN you will be born again, eventually.
it it really "me" though?

the universe is expanding, it will all end in every thing being really far away from everything else, there are no cycles

Couldn't read more than two sentences on that wiki page, huh?
>The vast majority of evidence indicates that this theory is not correct. Instead, astronomical observations show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, rather than being slowed down by gravity, suggesting that a Big Freeze is more likely to occur.

The big crunch is hypothetical
There's no evidence that this will indefinitely happen

the Big Crunch was a theory some held but few subscribe to it now. All evidence seems to suggest an acceleration of expansion

>this is the average IQ of a Yas Forums fag
Woah

fuck guys figure out your mythos

And who are you, exactly?

If an exact replica were created of you, with every state of every atom in the same state just with a different position in space, surely we would say that the idea of "self" is also reliant on the space we occupy.

Why is he a horse guy? Does he say crazy words?

No

I guess the unavoidable question is this: why is there anything at all in the first place?

I shivered when I saw this

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Even if the atoms arrange in the exact same way to produce "you" again, there's no way of knowing that your consciousness will inhabit that body. For example if there were a machine which could create an exact copy of you, you would not be the clone. It would look, think, and behave exactly like you, but it would have a separate consciousness.

It is.

No, that's the thing, he says normal words

For normal words to be said by horse guys

If you love God so much, then why don't you go join him?

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>Being so insecure about your own intelligence that you can't admit that you have no fucking idea what happens when you die, like everyone else

But we do have an idea. In fact, we know.

I mean that sure is a question, but there is no reason to think we can answer it so a bit silly to ask

Nobody ever dies. You're stuck here forever. And by you I mean me. None of you actually exist and I was put here for unknown reasons to suffer for eternity.

I actually do believe that the universe is an entity continuously experiencing itself through life in an infinite circle however

It still doesn't matter because the me that has had my experiences and is typing this right now wont be experiencing my next iterations's existence so its as good as being dead forever

>realistic

If you want to get really technical, there's more research been done that prove there is experience after death than there not being any experience after death.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0057620

>In conclusion, the present study shows that NDE memories have more characteristics than any kind of memory of real or imagined events and of other memories of a period of coma or impaired consciousness following an acquired severe brain dysfunction.

>In our opinion, the presented data demonstrate that NDEs cannot be considered as imagined events.

Your entire idea of self is just a constantly cascading wave of memories. There is no self. People are ALWAYS changing. You aren't the 12 year old kid you once were, you just have their memories (many of which are falsely reconstructed).

>Be conscious.
>Go to dreamless sleep/black out.
>Wake up.
How would death be any different?, except for the obvious part of never waking up?, what evidence is there to suggest it would be any different?

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You don't have to have experienced death to figure out your mind will not survive your brain's decomposition
There is absolutely no reason to think there is some sort of magical afterlife where your mind somehow leaves your body behind. Like I get its nice to think there is more after thing, but you have to admit it seems very unlikely

because your brain is still doing shit when you're asleep you mong

Are you people seriously pretending you know what it was like to not be born

dreams that occur as your brain is starting to die is not the same thing as an afterlife

We must ask: why is there something instead of nothing?
Our logic we've developed over cause-and-effect of the microcosm of existence tells us that there must be a beginning. The universe is not beholden to such rules.

consciousness is linear because it's bound to time and space. So yes my consciousness is always constant and stretched through time.

your psudointelectial word salad doesn't change that and any previous or preceding versions of me will never hold that consciousness

How is atheism or anything post-death “realistic”? There is nothing tangible, it’s all philosophy.

Well, there's the theory that the quote-un-quote "dark matter" in the universe is actually just the collected conscious energy of the universe that's already passed on, as it continues to grow, and is virtually undetectable, the only sign of it being there being that the rotation of our galaxy speeds up as you approach the outer edges, which can only be a sign of a large amount of mass.

>yes simulation theory does sound very plausible
>WTF A CONSCIOUS BEING THAT CREATED AND RUNS THE UNIVERSE HHAHAHAHAHAH THAT'S CRAZY
When will simulationfags admit that simulation theory is a fundamentally theist belief that doesn't contradict major religions in any way?

>We must ask: why is there something instead of nothing?
No, no we do not need to ask that

Who are you quoting? Because it's remarkably stupid.

Congrats, you didn't read the paper, you're an unscientific retard.

>Our logic we've developed over cause-and-effect of the microcosm of existence tells us that there must be a beginning.
no it doesn't. The universe very well could have always existed, we have no way of knowing what existed before the Big Bang, but it certainly may not have been "nothing"

That is true but it doesn't challenge my point at all. My consciousness still has some connection to the child I once was, regardless of how unreliable it is. A clone, or a "new" version of myself would have no connection to my current consciousness at all. In a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years from now, something which looks exactly like me may be sitting in a chair typing out this post again, but I probably won't be experiencing it.

Everything that makes you you is located in your brain. So when that is gone, then so are you.

That's a hell of a lot more coherent than "hur dur magic happens and then I live forever in happiness and all the people I don't like get tortured forever".

>it's all philosophy

So is quantum mechanics.

time is infinite. on an infinite timeline, anything that is possible will eventually happen. you have already blinked into existence once (so that is a thing that is possible), therefore you will blink into existence again over an infinite timeline.

the entire universe is an entity living things are how it perceives it self, beyond that there is no other reason to it.

We are dancing for our own sake because we can, after us it will all happen again with other life or begin anew

the inability to perceive or think anything is the logical conclusion of your brain stopping working. It doesn't require philosophy or supernatural stuff

Philosophy is a fucking joke

No? No one implied that, it's the whole point. There ISN'T anything to know about "what it's like" to not exist, and that's what it's like after you die.

i hate the term midwit
i don't like thinking there's a middleground between smart and retarded
but (nothing counts before the word but t. ayra littlefinger)
bojack horsemen is completely 110% midwitcore. it is sophomoric in every sense of the word and beyond. It is literally designed from the ground up to make the pseudointellectual feel smart.

It's the fundamental question underlying an entire sprawling field of philosophy. Maybe we don't "need" to ask it, but I hope you aren't suggesting it isn't worth considering.

>Nobody ever dies. You're stuck here forever
This but unironically. Your conscious brain activity will stop but whatever YOU are will remain here forever.
>but I am my brain activity
Brain activity is a process, it's not a thing. You can't be a process, you can't just be data floating in space. Might as well claim you're a free floating soul with a free will.

>Well, there's the theory that the quote-un-quote "dark matter" in the universe is actually just the collected conscious energy of the universe that's already passed on
no, no there fucking isn't. Who possibly told you that?

Because your brain is a physical thing doing your dreams that rots away after you die you idiot.

>beyond that there is no other reason to it
How do you know that?

>Well, there's the theory that the quote-un-quote "dark matter" in the universe is actually just the collected conscious energy of the universe that's already passed on,

That's not a theory, that's the insane ramblings of a paint huffer. There's no such thing as "conscious energy".

NOOO NOT THE HECKIN NO AFTERLIFE-O NOT THE VOIDERINO

Philosophy is why we have science.

Mushrooms

because all scientists have read every scientific publication of course

/x/ probably. That sounds like the kind of shit they would say.

You've definitely either misinterpreted my meaning or you do not understand what the word "logic" means. I literally said that the universe is not beholden the the laws of logic we've developed. Quantum mechanics has demonstrated that quite clearly. Something can "exist" and "not exist" until it is observed. This defies our conventional logic.
I don't even get what you're trying to argue.
>The universe very well could have always existed, we have no way of knowing what existed before the Big Bang,but it certainly may not have been "nothing"
Obviously defying conventional logic.
Why the fuck do I even waste my breath on you dumb fucks?

That's your claim, you provide no proof of this. When the movie ends I don't sit at look at the black screen forever. You're assuming that's the only thing that can occur after a movie end, a black screen. In actuality, I put on the next movie. But since currently your entire frame of reference consists of things withing the first movie, you can't even comprehend that a second movie may start after the first one.

There's no such thing as dark matter, but science keeps saying it anyway. So fuck off, paint huffer.

>numbers >0 are infinite, 1, 2, 3...
>bro anything can happen, you might find a -1 in there somewhere

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um, sorry man, but no, thats nonsense. JUst because something has happened does not mean it is still possible

All evidence suggests an acceleration of the expansion of the universe, so the conditions that created you will never happen again, there is no cycle, just everything getting further and further apart until every atom is too far from any other atom to even interact with anything

>I shivered when I saw this

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time did not exist before the big bang
so yes, the universe has by definition 'always' existed and will 'always' exist

Do you know why we use the word I to self identify? It goes back to the formation of language and it ties to the physical eye.

We are because we see, We experiance therefore we are.

All I's are the same but we only perceive each other as separate

You and i and everything else are god but we are so subjected we can't see it

God exists. Fuck brainlet atheists and their nihilism.

>but I hope you aren't suggesting it isn't worth considering.
it is absolutely not worth considering because it is unknowable. There is no possible evidence that exists that can illuminate such a question so there is no value in asking

Oh so your argument is valid because the trees looked like they were breathing while you were tripping in the woods

>tfw you realize the Big Bang theory was invented by a priest
>he didn't want to share it because he thought it would prove the existence of god

kek, the atheist cope is astounding

>stating theories as facts
Stop

Oddly enough, materialistic nihilism makes me feel like a Gnostic.

Because if the pointless oblivion is true then creation itself isn't inherently amoral or neutral, it's pure fucking evil, and the only ethical thing to do is to destroy the Earth and ideally the universe asap before any more consciousnesses are formed to suffer

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>its a bojack horseman thread
>its nothing but midwits falling all over themslves to appear intelligent with one or two posts from actually intelligent people calling everyone in the thread/fanbase retarded

EVERY
SINGLE
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FUCKING
DAMN
TIME

>There's no such thing as dark matter,
Yes there is. Galaxies wouldn't work the way they do if they only included all the matter we can see. There is a lot of matter that we don't know where it is.

>Brain activity is a process, it's not a thing. You can't be a process, you can't just be data floating in spac
Well you are your brain, and when your brain stops working you are no more

>Everything that makes you you is located in your brain. So when that is gone, then so are you.
It's quite possible that your brain is an unreliable narrator though. It's a tired point but you can't fully trust your senses or even your thoughts. What you consider to be logical thinking (I am my brain, therefore oblivion is the result of my brain dying) may actually be absolute nonsense in reality. The fact that we even exist at all is so outlandish that you have to keep an open mind to every possibility.

A lot of that matter you can’t see cus it’s in my pants

>Yes there is. Galaxies wouldn't work the way they do if they only included all the matter we can see. There is a lot of matter that we don't know where it is.

Then prove it exists
>oh you can't
Fuck off paint huffer, might as well say that ghosts and demons are real too.

How does it feel?

The Big Bang theory is confirmed by the detection of Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR) which all centralizes from a point in space.
What the fuck does that have to do with a magic man in the sky?

>PLOS
LOL

Good job you figure it out. Let's hope the other Anons in this thread can take the blackpill too

eh, kind of
Historically science was philosophy, they weren't two distinct things. Then with the enlightenment and the scientific revolution philosophers split off from scientists leaving people who study real things, scientists, and people who study made up things, philosophers.

Dreamless sleep and blacking out were obviously alluding to the fact that you go to sleep, total fucking blackness and nothingness, then you suddenly wake up.

As in when you fucking die, there will be the same nothingness, no consciousness, no memories or perception, same as the aforementioned except you'll never wake up.

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Lol it has nothing to do with seeing low level hallucinations no. We've gone much deeper than that.

Deep down all humans know it, since the beginning of art we have expressed it, we have sung it out loud.

>Genius scientist the world over from generations past and present have enough temperance of the intellectual ego to admit they have no idea what happens you die
>But you're different. All questions of the universe shrivel before your sophomoric musings

>it is unknowable
Proof?

>which is illogical if our understanding of time is correct,
why do you say this?

>i don't like thinking there's a middleground between smart and retarded
Sounds like something that a midwit would say.

Hurr durr muh nihilism

>you are your brain, and when your brain stops working you are no more
If I AM my brain, as you claim then even after my brain stop working, it doesn't stop existing. If I LITERALLY AM THE PARTICLES of my brain, sooner or later those particles will make their way into other conscious systems. Will I regain consciousness at that point? I don't know, the whole claim that I literally am the particles of my brain makes no sense to me.

You're currently confused because you're claiming that you believe that I am the particles in my brain and yet your argument says that I am the process of brain activity. Since "I" disappear when that activity stops. But how can I be a process? You're pretty much claiming that we're not hardware of the brain, we're software running on that hardware. Which is a big claim to make. I don't believe I'm software, I have to be something physical surely.

>The Big Bang theory is confirmed by the detection of Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR) which all centralizes from a point in space.

That's incorrect. Modern theories hold there is no center of the universe. Quit larping as a scientist faggot, you sound like an idiot.

for real though, don't any of you think existence is pretty weird? I mean we all exist for a reason but we don't know why. all religions are our way of coping with not knowing why we exist. there is no god or allah or whatever shit people believe in, all of that was invented by us humans so we could sleep well at night and not ponder the why if things. when we die there will be no afterlife, no answers to our questions, there will be an eternal emptyness and that's fucking scary. I wish I still believed in catholicism like when I was a child, so I could be content with the answer that God created me and that there will be an afterlife, now I realize that's a fucking lie because we don't know why we're here or what happens when we die. Im gonna kill myself within the year, because the severe existential dread and all my
other issues are wasting me away.

you cant really trust any sensory input, this could all be a dream or a simulation or you could already by dying and this life is your mind's desperate valediction

calm down double digit ape, fairy tales only exist in books