I really didn't get this movie

Am I stupid or is it a stupid movie

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what didn't you get user

you are stupid, sorry. It's a pretty simple plot I don't know what you aren't getting.

the first half was really good and it just fell off after that though.

Where they aliens or just time travellers

it's a retarded movie people pretend to like to seem smart

>Where they aliens or just time travellers

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they're aliens who have a radically different perception of time than humans

Why did the president of China know her mobile number?

>using English, a language with a fuckton of discrepancies between the ways things are spelled and pronounced, to communicate with aliens
horrible

The ending of the movie is definitely stupid. It doesn't go that way in the short story.

it's just lazy and you would think a linguist would be smarter than that you faggot

You are the literal image of what the artist was thinking when they doodled this wojak edit.

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imagine defending garbage

he wrote it for the time aliens

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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this, it's
>cerebral

What are you even trying to say you fucking retard? No wonder you couldn't understand the movie.

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nobody has ever said the movie requires you to be smart. You're just a coming retard who didn't understand a very simple movie

It's an incredibly stupid movie. It perfectly reflects the reddit IQ enjoyment chart where low IQ people hate it, room temperature IQ think it's deep, and high IQ people hate it.

>DUDE TIME TRAVEL LANGUAGE

Embarrassing

based stroke poster

How can aliens bring information back from the future if it's just a different way of looking at time? That would make it actual time travel, breaking causality.

It's for pseud redditors to feel super intelligent about themselves.

the implication of the story/movie is that our knowledge of time, including causality goes out the window

>What are some criticisms of the hypothesis?
>While linguists generally agree that the weaker Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, also known as linguistic relativism, can be shown to be true to some extent, there are criticisms of the stronger form of the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, also known as linguistic determinism. Among the criticisms of the strong form of the Hypothesis are:

> — One of Whorf's central arguments in his paper on language determining thought was that the Hopi terminology for time gave the Hopi a different and unique understanding of how time worked, distinct from the typical Western conception of time. Pinker (1994) argues that Whorf had never actually met anyone from the Hopi tribe and that a later anthropologist discovered, in fact, the Hopi conception of time was not so different from the traditional Western understanding of it.
> — The problem of translatability: if each language had a completely distinct reality encoded within it, how could a work be translated from one language to another? Yet, literary works, instruction manuals and so forth are regularly translated and communication in this regard is not only possible, but happens every day.

bit of reading for you:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

>low IQ people hate it
of course, just look at this thread

It was kind of just a dumb movie. Big thumbs down for me, dawg.

What I mean is like the book slaughter house 5. Are the aliens or are they time travellers? Because if one or other it is. When they percept time as different then it is to them time but not travel.
But if they not then why does for humans time travel if just a percept? Why one for them then one for humans?
Does that make explain the problem

you ok?

>how could a work be translated from one language to another? Yet, literary works, instruction manuals and so forth are regularly translated
what a retarded take. Translation takes away a large part of the original work, and the amount taken away is greater the more different the languages are. This is why Bible thumpers are insane, believing that a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a collection of oral stories written down centuries later is the indisputable word of God

>bro if you speak this alien language you can travel in time :OOOO

do you have an ACTUAL criticism of the movie, without referring to things outside the movie?

She didn't travel through time you nigger.

There were multiple different pods in different locations around earth dumbass

yeah because they aliens traveled time for her, whoa big fucking difference

>a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation
it's hebrew, greek, and aramaic in some parts to english lmao

Big clever aliens
Have to land in different countries
Don't have means of communication with simplistic lifeforms...ok then

Literally just finished watching this an hour ago while working from home.

First, Amy Adams is wife material.

Second, I feel bad for all you brainlets who hated this movie. And even worse for those who didn't understand it.

Yeah, it's entry-level. It's also kino. More importantly, it's a well-crafted exposition on the relative nature of time and encourages the viewer to challenge how they perceive time without beating you over the head with a "change your worldview in favor of mine" 2x4.

i already forgot the ending so it doesnt matter, cant be that good.

The whole premise is fucking stupid and doesn't hold up under any scrutiny if you think about it for longer than 5 seconds. This movie made me realize movie critics are all brainlets, although I guess I'm a brainlet too for not always knowing that.

how is the premise stupid user. You keep fumbling to make a point and you keep talking about things outside the movie

>Yeah, it's entry-level. It's also kino. More importantly, it's a well-crafted exposition on the relative nature of time and encourages the viewer to challenge how they perceive time without beating you over the head with a "change your worldview in favor of mine" 2x4.

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Heh
Yeah this movie is about how learning a language enables your brain to time travel. When you point this out a lot of pseuds who like this movie get extremely butthurt and lash out by claiming you didn't get it. It's a stupid piece of trash movie with incredibly bland visuals.

Reminder they stole the music from Shutter Island soundtrack and used it here to bad effect

Post in your native language and maybe we'll be able to understand how you think

Dude a different perception of reality allows you to see the future. Dude it only takes learning a language to achieve this!
D U D E

So they were talking to alien feet the whole time?

they didn't travel through time either, no one traveled though time.
the movie exaggerates and bends the notion of linguistic relativism and different time perception across different languages, by implying that learning a language so strange and so far removed from any human language that it warps your human perception of time.

Grandted, it's one of the numerous examples where a writer takes and expands on a scientific concept without truly understanding it.

It was an interesting movie until the reveals. yo our language travels you back in time

fuck off.

You're stupid. The movie is probably the best-written film to come out of mainstream hollywood in the last ten years.
And then idiots started complaining about 'time travel'

>language can alter your perceptions
That is the gist of the film. Strong sapir-whorf in my opinion is a not so much but the week form I think has some validity.
The ability to see time differently is just a sci-fi mechanism to get you to consider that idea.
Its fine as a film and it was nice to see a linguist trying to talk to aliens instead of a mathematician.

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>movie is about how learning a language enables your brain to time travel

Wrong.

it's something like
archaic Hebrew and Aramaic -> Koine Greek -> Vulgate Latin -> Middle English for the KJV and it underwent huge edits on top of the translations

films that plebs (like you) think are boring are actually kino 9 times out of 10
there are obvious exceptions but i wont bother mentioning them

>The whole premise is fucking stupid and doesn't hold up under any scrutiny
That's how science fiction usually works you moron. You accept the premise and judge the story they shape around it.

The movie doesn't propose that learning a circle-based language would make you Dr. Manhattan, it proposes that if a mother knew her child's life would be tragic, she would still be worthy of living.

That's literally the whole genre, and the reason why good sci-fi doesn't require you pull any new deus ex machina after the premise is revealed. Arrival just makes the premise a mystery and the reveal comes at the end, but it never betrays its core rules.

ELI5 the plot then.

You can reddit it up all you want with fancy, I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE, language but if you boil it down that's exactly what this movie is about.

Jesus, OP, I'm really sorry

Oh... I guess her brain didn't time travel to another dimension to perceive beyond the present where the rest of her physical body remains. Huh

The clearer our communication the clearer the picture ahead will look.

How is this science fiction then? It's just some rehash of ancient Egyptian stories. Replace the aliens with some God with a jackal's head and there you go.

>I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE, language but if you boil it down that's exactly what this movie is about.
You fundamentally misunderstood the movie if you think that is what its about.
Science fiction isn't really about the science user that is just a vehicle

Did you watch the movie subtitled without sound? Because I'm starting to think you just can't read. All the answers to your question are in the post you (You)'d me.

Unless I'm a fucking 7-dicked alien and predicted your dumbass question.

Great bait. Saving this

Obvious bait

But yes you are dumb if you didn't get this movie

Uh bro we're all talking about the plot device and not the deeper meaning here. The plot device is hopelessly stupid.

Boring actors

>dude this movie is fucking stupid because first of all reddit reddit MUH SCIENCE haha brain time travel fucking dumb ass shit and the worst part of it is that how come she can call but also not call before? yeah dumb movie

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>until we had the word "blue" we couldn't distinguish the colour blue from other colours lmao
God I hate these weird post-modern-ish linguistic theories

Why do writers do this?
>oh no something we thought we understood doesn't work the way we understand it IMAGINE THE IMPLICATIONS
So fucking what? How things work for humanity still hasn't changed so why even bother caring about it. This is why I fucking hate Lovecraftian bullshit. I don't care if we are little more than ants to some eldritch abomination. You don't see ants freaking out about humans even though we can destroy them.

>You don't see ants freaking out about humans even though we can destroy them.
we don't freak out about aliens either, because we don't know they exist. But imagine of all of humanity was aware that quite close by there are aliens with the technology to delete us in a second. This would completely rewrite the way we lived in the short-mid term

I saw some purple tentacles at the aquarium when I was a small child. The absolute visual horror was palpable and indescribable. You can rest assured that the experience broke me and I've posted here ever since.

>The plot device is hopelessly stupid.
and? Plenty of stories make use of silly things. You suspend your disbelief and allow the author to use that silly thing to take you on a journey.
Was the journey worth it that is the real question and in this case I think the answer is yes.

you must really hate the bicameral mind hypothesis then, even though it's not really linguistic

Based

>Am I stupid
yup

Not having it. I'll only excuse it in dumb action/adventure movies and comedies.

It's not a bad movie because of it's plot. It's bad because it's slow, boring, under-directed, clinical, has a poor script, and it doesn't really say anything about the themes. It's a blank-canvas film.

A Villeneuve film is good if the script is good (Prisoners, Sicario) and a Villeneuve film is bad if the script is bad (Arrival, Blade Runner 2049).

>God is infallible
>God is omnipotent
>God is omniscient
>God is omnipresent
>manipulating a series of translations into saying what they were meant to say is somehow impossible fot him
Why would a Christian believe any differently?

I’m so glad I’m not a retard man. Christ.

>You suspend your disbelief and allow the author to use that silly thing to take you on a journey.
>Was the journey worth it that is the real question and in this case I think the answer is yes.
I wish I could live such a simple minded life

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>anything I don't like is S O Y

Are you being purposely obtuse? By using the fantastical, time travel language, you get the average person to think about the more mundane that their language influences in some small way how they think. If you learn yo speak in a different way you can change the way you think. If only slightly in reality.

Yeah in the same way ants scatter around for a little while when a human drops a cigarette butt on their mound and then they rebuild and get on with their lives as if nothing ever happened.

Well you thought wrong.

This movie is very dumb and people that disagree are midwits that are also very dumb since only very low and very high IQs are humans.

>How do those two don't know eachother if they have a kid and she has memories about it?
>How does everyone have a different timeline?
>Is her life stuck in an infinite loop?
Retarded movie for retarded people. Fun but retarded.

Well, you seem to be round about the cinemasins tier simplicity so I have great news.

that seems like a REALLY roundabout and inefficient way to get his message across but I guess Christians just shrug off that kind of stuff

She used Huawei.

>watch Arrival
>it has a basis in the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis
>watch Westworld
>it has a basis in the bicameral mind hypothesis
That was an infuriating month.

At least bicameral mind is at least generally accepted as being nonsense nowadays.

>Are you being purposely obtuse?
Me? Purposely obtuse? How dare you. I'm a cute.

And why wouldn't they, given the beliefs I laid out previously?