Why isn't Turkish more widely spoken in the Arab world consider the dominance of the Ottoman Empire?

>Bosnia
Bunch of heretics that both Catholics and Orthodox hated, decided to go a third route
>Albanians
bunch of monkies who hated greeks and by proxy christians

Arabic was spread by the religion, it is the language of the quran so the Imams and many were teached arabic, pretty much like latin was used by the chruch.
Also like latin it became the lingua franca of the muslins.

and here come the bootlickers rushing to the defend their dead empire

Ottoman Empire is not a colonial empire. All of these people also had their own languages and history before invasion too. You can't really compare them to blacks who had like 1000 languages

France colonized North Africa during the 19th century and was already industrialized by then
the Ottoman Empire ruled its subjects during the early modern period, and even at the time of its collapse it wasn't industrialized and advanced
it was a backwards remnant that failed to modernize, France was a modern nation state, that's why Atatürk took France as example to model the new Republic of Turkey after

because the whole point of islam is to become an Arab, assume an Arab name and surname (like the Ottoman Turks, Persians, etc.) and act according to Arab customs. The Arabs thus had more prestige than the Turks and influenced them instead of the other way around. Even today the cuisine of every country that used to be in the empire is broadly Syrian Arab and Turkish traditional music is Syrian in origin as well. It was the less prestigious gavur region that absorbed Turkish influences, not the Arab ones, as according to Islam Arab culture is perfect and worthy of emulation and should not be disdained.

super edgy bro, i'm sure you're not fat

>If u want to see real Turk go to Kazakhstan and look at Aya

You mean those half European breeds?

If you want to see a real Turk, go to Mid-Northern Yakutia.

- Albania had poor church infrastructure in the first place and was Christianized late
- Albania was punished especially hard for Skanderbeg's rebellion
- Sufi dervishes (mystics) from the east moved into Albania in huge numbers and greatly spread Islam
- Albanians moved up through the empire extremely swiftly and embracing Islam was conducive towards that
- Christians were disallowed to own weapons and weapon ownership was a crucial part of mountain law and Albanian culture so northerners adopted Islam to counteract that. Northern feudal lords became bajraktars and provided soldiers for the Ottoman dynasty so the system continued
- Other balkanites also converted to Islam but expelled their muslims en masse which Albania didn't

>Most people spoke Turkish alongside their native language
Do you have a source ? I have never heard something like that.

France withdrew from Algeria like 60 years ago, not really comparable at all

>Bosnia
Bogomils, persecuted both by Catholic and Orthodox, basically invited the Turks in. First two centuries they used both Bible and Koran, got their bibles from Bohemian hussite and early Protestant movements. Called poturci for this reason, half-Turks.

>Albanians
Northern Albanians had the mountains as protection, they remained Catholics. The others converted for opportunistic reasons, they were very tribal militaristic and this matched well with what service for the Turks had to offer.

True, Ottoman Empire for example banned the printing press until late 18th century.

Arabic was language of Islam

>converting to islam = turkification

0 IQ

ottomans weren't into force converting everyone to their culture. for the most part they left people alone and didn't intentionally shun other cultures/languages. their internal policy was tolerating (not accepting) minorities until WW1 of course
many of them becoming janissaries and having to convert to islam, willful conversion to gain more rights within the ottoman empire, etc.

>Sufi dervishes (mystics) from the east moved into Albania in huge numbers and greatly spread Islam

Mirrored the spread of dualist neomanichean Christian heretical movements in earlier centuries, also had Macedonia as center. The Dragovitsan church, the Armenian Paulicians (later the converted to Catholicism in Bulgaria, some became muslims they are the pomaks of today), the Bogomils.

Later, especially in Bosnia, the Ottomans severely persecuted a budding branch of islam considered heretical, which was something considering islam's broad standards on that.

It is an interesting piece of history. Once the middle east, especially in the first millenium, was considered the breeding ground of heresies and it seems that this later was true in some part for the Balkans too

It's not true. The elite people who the Ottoman empire appointed spoke Turkish because they got their education in Turkey. But nobody else did.

It's simple. Ultimately, Islam and Arabic cannot he separated. The Quran and the Hadiths are written in Arabic, as this is the language in which the word of god was transmitted to Mohammad (someone may be able to expand on this in more detail). Therefore the essence and meaning of Islam can only truly be conveyed through Arabic - this is why you have many Muslims who can read Arabic, and recite parts of the Quran without knowing what it means. By the time of the ascendancy of the Ottoman Empire, islam has already taken firm hold over most of the Middle East, and consequently Arabic had become the dominant language. Turkish, despite being the language of court, never had a social foundation from which it could penetrate the region. Essentially, it was a foreign language spoken by a small elite, most of whom also spoke their own local/regional language. It had no pre-existing connection with the Levant or Arabia.

Compare this with Persian, for example, which has existed concurrently alongside Arabic. This has been enabled because Persian does have a connection with the wider social fabric. Persian literature, and poetry, is a pillar of the Iranian identity, and this allowed it to survive as a means of transmitting local myths and epics.

Most of the arabic population didn't really live in the ottoman empire per se, this goes for saudi arabia, iraq etc. and around ~70% of the Algerian population was living in independant tribes in total anarchy, 5/6 of the territory was not part of the ottoman-aligned regency of Algiers.
Also the langage that they spoke during the barbary era alongside arabic/berber was the lingua franca, a mix of italian, spanish, french etc. The extreme majority of the population spoke it since the medieval period. Only janissairies and affiliated groups, so a tiny minority, did spoke ottoman turk for administrative/military purpose.

If anything, the french conquest of north africa did de-latinize massively north africa, it's only after their independance that a latin langage was started to become spoken again (at school, no one use french outside of it nowadays, unlike the lingua franca).

>- Albania had poor church infrastructure in the first place and was Christianized late

Matter for debate. A Thracian tribe called the Bessi/Bessoi, were converted early on and there was an entity called the Bessian Church. But it is not clear where this was, opinion is divided between Bulgaria and Albania, as there was a movement of Thracians west and around the 10th century there were "Bessoi" named as living in Albania.

Good thing France doesn't care what language Africans speak

France heavily arabized north africa, directly and indirectly, so France did care, a lot. The berber dahir also defined modern moroccan langage.

>France heavily arabized north africa,
French didn't speak Arabic

Anti french started arabist identatarianism

I find it funny how arabs can't stop killing each other when they don't have their Turkish masters holding them together

Another one for Bosnia: when the Turks came people were free to keep their religion, but not the nobility. The Slavic nobles could either convert to islam and keep their lands, or not convert and lose everything.

France arabized north african by teaching arabic and switching from berber to arabic in school, that doesnt mean french spoke arabic, they just made the colonial subject learn it.
It's not only a linguistic arabization, even the patronymes/names were arabized.

I think it's Napoleon III who started it, he wanted his own arabic kingdom.

When Islam conquered a land the people become slaves according to Quran

I'm not really well versed enough about Bessoi to comment, I'm certain that Albanians descend principally from Dardanians and I came to that conclusion years ago so after that point I kind of stopped reading about paleobalkanic groups - too many to keep track of.

Well of course they had to pay jizya tax if they wanted to remain Christian, and converting to islam was rewarded materially, with bags of flour I heard. So if you were poor and couldn't pay your tax you were fucked.

Didn't Ottoman nobility largely speak Persian in their courts?

Every human is a slave to God.

The spoke ottoman turkish, a langage where like 90% of the vocabulary was persian/arabic iirc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

Russian

because turkish was another peasant language and arabic was the language of elites

Loan words don't matter. English is only 20% Germanic but it is still considered a Germanic language

>Dardanians
Yes but that goes back to 5th century BC, while the Bessoi I'm talking 5th century AD.

>Further fate of the Bessi is a matter of dispute. Some authors like Gottfried Schramm derived the Albanians from the Christianized Bessi, after their remnants were pushed by Slavs and Bulgars during the 9th century westwards into today Albania,[10] while mainstream historians support Illyrian-Albanian relation.[11][12][13][14]

That last part is just semantics, as Illyrians by that time was a broad umbrella, just like Thracians. And these paleo-Balkan groups were already closely related even in earliest days.

Well the structure was not arabic/persian, obviously, so it's not classified as such, but loan words .. do matter..

English has like 40% of latin words and 30% of french words, that's a pretty important fact.