>foreskin is useless bro
>you have magical protection from HIV if you cut it
>My mom and Rabbi told me It's just an unneeded piece of skin who cares about it
>What you want your kid to be a goy or something? if you don't do it you're not a jew, even if you don't even follow the 10 commandments which are the most important things for jews
>Your kid will get mocked
>Better sexual sensation? I enjoy sex lol maybe the problem is with you
>You don't want your baby's penis to get sucked by a creepy old man? u gay or something?
>Baby's choice over his body? what about earrings and the thousands of other decisions we make for them?
>It's more hygenic bro!!
>hairy dick due to pulling of skin, the risk of contracting herpes from the religion shaman, necrosis, who cares?
>but muh American doctor's association reccommended it for no reason(stopped to)
also inb4 blamed for being arab or something like retards always do when their opinions conflict with reality and common sense.
Foreskin is useless bro
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>t. butthurt arab
You can't have your foreskin back but you can have my dick up your ass
it’s a covenant
that’s it
arabs also practice circumcision though
I never understood why particularly Americans seem to vehemently defend circumcision. The protection against HIV seems to be a bit iffy, and even if it was the case, why do they consider chopping of bits of your penis so you can have sex okay, but handing out condoms and giving kids sex ed is just encouraging them to have sex?
I've seen my share of botched circumcisions, and I had a friend who got (a partial) one as an adult (medical reasons, not phimosis but had too tight foreskin) and told me how excruciating the pain is, even now two years since he had it.
Read up on John Harvey Kellogg
He was a rich crazy dude in 19th century america who believed that being too stimulated lead to sexual desires which why he advocated for circumcision to dull sex and prevent masturbation. He paid a lot of people to spread this idea which is why circumcision is so big in America, one crazy christian with a lot of money
Fun fact: Kellogg's corn flakes were invented by him by accident when making a batch of boiled wheat because he genuinely thought that "exciting" food gave people boners.
I know the historic reasons, user. I'm simply wondering why they are still defending the practice, even though Kellogg's malpractice is pretty much common knowledge these days.
I also understand why doctors do it though, they can add additional points on the medical bills and earn extra dosh because muh private healthcare.
your friend's case seems to be a bit wrong with healing or execution, But traditionally babies here don't get anaesthesia at all, during or after, but I don't hear about lasting pain being a thing.
I wish normal countries like Finland, Sweden actually went on with forbidding cruel and inhumane religious practices such as circumcision and kosher slaughter.
one user told me it's to protect their ego, they fear admitting they were harmed. it makes sense.
or plain ignorance.
They've been doing it for too long to stop doing it
I'd say it's just one of those cultural phenomena that just stuck for so long
No one really bothered to question it so everyone does it
>your friend's case seems to be a bit wrong with healing or execution
He's healed I think. IIRC that only took a month or a month and a half. My impression is that his complaints were mostly that the hardened skin on the glans often dries out and that again can lead to painful itches. He also said that for the first half year, he could feel a constant uncomfortable rubbing against his underwear.
>I wish normal countries like Finland, Sweden actually went on with forbidding cruel and inhumane religious practices such as circumcision and kosher slaughter.
It was up for discussion here right after Iceland banned it and Denmark was discussing it, but then a spokesperson from our small mosaic community went out in media along with the head of our "center for antiracism" (who also happens to be a jew and the former head of the mosaic community) and said that it would be immensely antisemitic if we passed such a law. After that, no politician dared to go out publicly and support that law in fear of being labelled anti-jewish.
>But traditionally babies here don't get anaesthesia at all, during or after,
That's just cruel.
>one user told me it's to protect their ego, they fear admitting they were harmed.
That makes sense. Kind of a coping mechanism of sort.
>traditionally babies here don't get anaesthesia at all,
Because mohelim aren't qualified for that
How religious is the israeli population? Is it getting more secular?
No, the religious people reproduce much more, we're past the point of no return so Israel will die one day as a democracy at the very least.
But more religious people go secular than the opposite conversion.
>it’s a covenant
>that’s it
>God made mankind in his form
>Yo dude cut your weewee
>OH also tattoos are wrong because you're damaging your flesh and that's a nono
About 40% is secular?
Not getting more secular because 1/4 or 1/3 kids are haredi and it's only going to get worse, most seculars are 20+ while most young people are religious.
Seculars will die and haredim will breed like rats
I guess also the current right-wing politicians are dependent on the religious right and orthodox communities. Does that affect secularism in government? Or is it still "contained" in the sense that orthodox don't have to do military duty?
Banning male circumcision as well as kosher/halal slaughtering is out of the question due to religious reasons. If you were to propose something like that you would be shouted down as a islamophibe and antisemite. Our countries are far from normal in the west. Some still even have blasphemy laws active and the head of the CSU thought about reintroducing blasphemy laws for some reason recently.
>for some reason
Aren't the CSU christian conservative? After the caricature drawing debate here in the mid-2000s, our foreign minister also wanted to strengthen our blasphemy laws. Of course, he's an ultra christian that goes to these radical christian gatherings in the woods but has kept this more or less as a secret to his worker party's voters.
Liberman = L
One tiny left party = left
arab party = A
supporting secular motions = L,A(?),left
right wing economically and politically = L
gay rights, peace, liberal stuff = left(6/120 seats)
most of everyone else support religious coercion, gibs and a non-solution with the palestinians.
the government is right wing and it will never change, because they just make more kids. it will never be more secular.
Sounds bad man
everyone in the middle east is mutilated
Christian in name yes, like any other "christian" party nowadays (similar to CDU). In the end they say nothing different than any other party in Germany. There's nothing special about them anymore. That statement was the most religious one I heard from them in the last 10 years or so.
I see, well that differs from us. The christian party here is actually quite christian. Although they've become more liberal over the latest years, they still choke on their morning coffee whenever we debate stuff like allowing gays to adopt children or extending opening hours for selling alcohol.
The health minister from the CDU is a gay (ugly) dude. And we legalized gay marriage, something that should never have happened.
now you just entering fedora tipping area.
don’t believe in it, don’t, but that’s the sole reason, anything else is just excuses.
>you have magical protection from HIV if you cut it
or you know... you could also not stick it up another man's ass
lopping off a piece of your child's penis is a totally normal thing to do
So israel is basically just like the rest of the middle east except with Jews instead of Muslims
I kinda assumed that the population had gotten more secular and that the reason Nyetenyahu was still in power was because of the right wing fearmongering
Don't let some old fucks convince you to hurt your child. Tell them all to fuck off.
t. Seething retard
Talmus says that the slaves of the jews have to be circumcized too.
>I never understood why particularly Americans...
They are genetically stupid. The whole continent is populated with the refuse of Europe. The only reason they are rich is because America is a vast insanely rich continent. It is impossible not to be rich, there. They get the immigrants to do all the hard stuff from them but they still govern themselves and there their stupidity shows.
foreskin is useless bro
Enjoy your urinary tract infection.
Yes, we're like anyone else around, just a bit more advanced for a while.
>I kinda assumed
Nah but "secular" conservative people still vote Likud(BB) despite the Likud fucking them in the ass on all topics except for retaining the west bank, the holy grail of the dumb sheep here.
why do lutherans oppose alcohol in Norway? I thought you guys believed that faith alone saved?
Explain then why non religious Jews and Christian folk who live in Israel circumcise?
I think the reasoning was that back then the pagans were very lewd, they had things like temple whores and diviner trannies. So God made His people stand out by cutting a piece of their dick off, which takes away a good part of the pleasant sensation. Meaning that His people distanced themselves from the carnal ways of the world.
Of course this often had an opposite effect, citing Tacitus in his chapter "on the Jews":
>Though a most lascivious people, the Jews avoid sexual intercourse with women of alien race. Among themselves nothing is barred. They have introduced the practice of circumcision to show that they are different from others. Proselytes to Jewry adopt the same practices, and the very first lesson they learn is to despise the gods, shed all feelings of patriotism, and consider parents, children and brothers as readily expendable.
We're not also lutherans, pietism was a big movement here. We believe that hard work and living a modest christian life with no enjoyment will lead to happiness.