Was Germany essentially the China of Europe before modern times in terms of population density and influence...

Was Germany essentially the China of Europe before modern times in terms of population density and influence? I think every other dynasty in Europe has German origins

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Germany should include Bohemia, not Posen. And no Istria either. Med access for Germany would be too over powered.

No
Pre-modern Germany was very poor compared to China

Chinese culture hasn't had influence in 500 years

france used to be the most populous and influential country.
But Germany had 100 kingdoms/princeships what ever, so of course most royalty would be from there. But all upperclass royals spoke french until the 1900s.

No that was France at least to like 1850s.They had massive population (28 mln in 1790), have most powerful military and huge cultural influence
French was international nobility language then

france historically had by far the highest population in europe

>But all upperclass royals spoke french
They were multilingual. They didn't exclusively speak French.

What happened to them?

Austria was never German historically speaking

Their population was butchered during revolutionary wars and and later they get into long low birthrates period
Also they were surpassed in industrialization by Germany and England and gradually fell into irrelevance

We were kinda late to embrace the industrialisation meme and our demography became England tier (which is fine when you have a channel to protect you but otherwise not).
Also our country has been irremediably broken since the revolution, and after Napoléon the 1st there has never been a stable goverment (until the Fifth republic that we have now).

I just want our Kaiser and Kaiserreich back.

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>But all upperclass royals spoke french until the 1900s.
That's a meme, they spoke French from the mid 18th century to the Napoleonic wars and the rise of nationalism.

There is no country that is comparable to China in Europe. China is basically East Asia's Greece, its Rome, its France and its Soviet Union all in one country.

Germany prior to the metal tipped ox plow was very underpopulated with the ox plow Germany's population increased by 3-5x and all of that population populated the non agricultural jobs.

It was the interroyal language. When they married to other countries they did often not speak the local lingua, but only french.
Many mostly changed to english in the late 1800s becuase of the insistance of queen victoria

Greece is India

>france used to be the most populous and influential country.
France was build by Germanic tribes.
>franks
>normans
>burgundians

Lol

Here's your holy Roman Emperor

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The china of europe was rome. Germany as a complete nation is a modern invention -- for most of its history, it's been split and led by a country that isn't even part of it.

If France followed the same population growth patterns of Germany and England they'd have 100 mil+ population today but they didn't

HRE != Germany
The HRE included Austria, parts of Italy, the low countries and bohemia and burgundy.
Germany was founded in 1871

lol

>Austria
Germans (not to much for it's territorial gains, tho)
>parts of Italy
Lombards are Germans that speak Italian
>burgundy
Also germans that don't speak german

sorry but all of it is wrong, just shows you don't know anything about german history or how the HRE worked

looks like king derthert to me

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>Massive population
>went mad over money fluctuations through 19th and 20th centuries
>regional hegemon, Monroe Doctrine made Western Hemisphere its pond
>international construction projects like Panama Canal
>created market-focused empire
>nationalist population that sees its rise as destiny
>mass manufacturing giant that sold tons of cheap shit
>exterminated native population, put them in schools to erase culture
>concentration camps
>massive racists
>ate weird food and still do
>obnoxious, loud, and arrogant

I would say another country has been the China of the West for a much longer time

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what definition of german are you even using lmao
he's right tho the HRE was just a feudal remnant of the carolingian empire. It wasn't a nation. Modern Germany was founded in 1871