Do you think it'll ever be possible for the states to break off and become their own territories...

It's not that bad yet. All countries have bad/stupid leaders every once and then. But the world would stop thinking the problem it's him if burgers re-elect him

Sorry bro, but I do not care what somebody who is posting under the Serb-Albo mutt flag thinks about geopolitics

Another thing, it's not that Trump is a demon or anything. He did nothing his predecessors didn't do. But he does it in such a comically inept and populist manner it's incredible. The machine is out of lubrication it seems, it's making awful noise.

Don't recall asking.

It's over, damage is already done. What they need is a huge effort to repair the damage over the past two decades and some senile geriatric like Biden is not the man to do it. Not like US president has that much power anyway.
Okay.

God I hope so. Imagine no more California

Don't recall asking if you asked

And this isn't Cold War. Soviet Union was an ideological state, they competed for power on ideological principles (ignoring some short-term Stalin forrays, but that's pre-Cold War). Americans simply had better leadership and better approach. They slugged it out easily.
Their modern competitors like Russia and China are far more flexible and adept at fighting on their terms. They aren't chained by any principles or ideological dogmas. Russia doesn't even have a formal ideology of any sorts.

It's not like the people living on the west coast can just take the land and leave. They'd have to fight for it. Because it isn't theirs, it belongs to the USA.

i mean it is a pretty good film

but the USA supports the right to self-determination. so uh wouldn't it look kind of weird if this support only applies to other countries but their own?

There is damage, that's true, but I think the current view of the US is more akin to start showing signs of decline added to those things you just said.
Russia ain't a real player. They aren't even half of what the URSS was when it collapsed. China on the other hand is a real competitor but no yet on the scale of the US. Thing is, China keeps growing and the US, at best, is stagnant

That's why it's tricky. What would happen if the California meme independents actually gain track and ask for a referendum? I'm fairly sure there isn't anything like that in the US Constitution. America's ideals emphasize on freedom and self-determination but what they would actually do in this scenario?

It doesn't take a real power to upset the balance of power. Russian goals are far more limited. They basically want a return to great power politics. They don't have to compete with USA one for one, they just have to obstruct.

This. Secession failed in the Civil War and will fail even harder if they try again.

Lmao does the rest of the world really not know this was already resolved in the 1800s? Oh wait, you'uns believed Yankee lies that "states' rights" was just a cover to be racist.

It's not really tricky. Texas vs. White ruling established that states cannot unilaterally secede. Thus only way to legally secede is for all other states to approve of it.

It's literally what happened in the Civil War. And the South even had a greater argument for the right to secede because they started out as independent colonies less than 100 years before the Civil War.
If Cali secedes the US would have every right to go to war to reclaim our territory.
The only possible exception might be Hawaii, they have a lot of natives and can rightfully claim that the land is theirs, so if they voted for independence then idk what the US would do.

>It doesn't take a real power to upset the balance of power.
Agree, but Russia resources are very limited. Besides fucking around in Ukraine and hacking health services they can't do shit. The return to the great power politics is all but unavoidable now, but I think there are other agents that could tip the scale further like the Saudi's and unironically, India.

Which is basically, you can make yourself independent on your own unless we kick you out. But that shit won't fly for too long if their society REALLY wants to be independent.
This is the most likely scenario. US goverment not allowing it and having revolts. The thing is, what will happen to the global scale of powers if the US enters that kind of huge de-stabilization period? Even further, what would happen if the Chinese support the independentist? Shit would really hit the fan.

If the US ignoring NATO and the UN and started murdering hundreds of thousands of brown civilians for decades for no reason didn't stop its allies from trading and doing business with nothing, nothing will. The US can have a terrible reputation, but it doesn't stop it from being the biggest economic powerhouse in the world. Money matters, not politics.

Just scroll down one tweet to get your answer

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Incidentally, I don't think mr. Donald "state rights are central to Republican ethos" Trump has really thought this through. As we know he's trying to save the shreds of the economy to secure his re-election. However. One of his most fervent voter demographics was people aged 65+ and they are the high-risk group. Dead people aren't able to vote. But their living relatives most certainly are.

California is already a lost cause so I say who cares

>The thing is, what will happen to the global scale of powers if the US enters that kind of huge de-stabilization period? Even further, what would happen if the Chinese support the independentist? Shit would really hit the fan
I'm not an expert on the American Civil War but I think something like that almost happened, IIRC France or somebody else was considering joining in on the Confederate side. I'm not positive though.

The thing is at this point the US military is just so fucking powerful. I'm not trying to throw shade at Yas Forums but it would basically take the combined might of China and the EU to match us. A few states seceding wouldn't be able to do much.
Also, in the American Civil War people had a strong identity to their state because people didn't move around. But now, half the people in Cali weren't born there. So I don't know what sides people would take.
And finally, regarding the military, in the Civil War each state basically had their own military. So when Virginia seceded, they just had Virginian soldiers. But military bases in California are US military and most of the troops there are from another part of the country. So.... I really don't know how it would even work. It would definitely be an interesting time though.

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