Money for healthcare bad!

Bernie lost so bad. The dnc didn't even need to fuck him over lmao. He is just a big jewish faiilure.

Brainlet take. Prices are inflated due to lack of collective bargaining, offset costs caused by people defaulting on debt and a completely fractured insurance pool. A government monopsony would immediately drive down prices.

If he went with hard Marxist stance the media would just eviscerate him even harder. That idpol stuff is what's attractive to the moderate american lib*rals, unfortunately, the target audience of the democratic party. If he ever had a chance to sneak into office it would be through passing as a moderate that certainly has no socialist ambitions.

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And while we are at it, create more goverment loaning systems to try to help people from going into predatory deals with private banks... which kind of reminds me, the US needs a better grasp of its own banking system in order to try to stay away from debt, as well as to have a greater control on banking.

We don't want the government fucking things up, you can't fathom the depths of their incompetence

nah the us is still deeply racist and not addressing that is inadequate
accelerationism is a joke

Medicare is the single most popular policies in existence.

>flated prices on healthcare related products and services, as well as institutions
THIS THIS THIS
literally nobody talks about hospital billing and how fucked up it is, NO ONE

What idpol shit? You keep saying this but what fucking idpol shit does Bernie talk about? Anytime an interviewer brings up race or gender, he ties it into class.

no you have just been convinced privitization is somehow more efficient for an industry with inelastic demand by the very people who profit from it

from what I've been hearing not only did the establishment politicians gear up against him but he fucked up by denigrating whites

I have never seen a hospital bill in my entire life. Universal health care works.

how is class not idpol?

>drop the idpol shit and focus on class
wherein class is assumed to be excluded from identity politics

>that way banks would think twice before they loan to students or give unrealistic credit to irresponsible individuals.

Do US student loans all come from banks? Here we borrow from the government. Honestly the US system sounds better in theory, I can't imagine that any bank here would lend 40k to some 18 year old who wants a degree in horse shit like gender studies.

Education shouldn't be "free," we just need to be a lot more careful about who is getting the money and for what.

He is referring to the fact that Bernie has been peddling idpol and to a lesser degree gun control to appeal to bleeding heart liberals. His actual stances on open borders would have been a boon for the general but they were an obstacle in the primaries.

It MIGHT work here to if the cost wasn't soprofoundly outrageous

Because class is based on economical materialism. Identiy politics is based on spooky essentialism.

Biden supporters are very uninformed

B A S E D

Your response doesn't really contradicts me in the slightest, on the other hand, it just emphasizes the validity of my statement.

That is to say, Bernie fails to solve the real problem, the lack of goverment run hospitals, and goverment companies dedicated to producing goods and services to force the private sector to compete, much like how many insurance are doing. Example, Kaiser insurance has developed a healthcare network in order to avoid private hospitals that overcharge the insurance companies every time a patient ends up in said hospitals.

Being the insurance companies ironically the ones bringing competition into the healthcare sector.

And talking about insurances, that's yet another issue Bernie has failed to adress.

In short, Bernie is just rainbows, smoke and mirrors, and promises of hand outs.

He's anti open borders

newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-open-borders-poverty-world-immigration-1388767

>Sanders, however, has long criticized open borders. In 2015, he referred to them as a "right wing proposal" pushed forward by the wealthy Koch brothers. "You're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that...

The cost is a product of the system. It's not an issue that can somehow be isolated and addressed. The whole system has to be uprooted.

I am just woefully distraught with our government and even fellow citizens, government manages the VA and that is by all accounts a clusterfuck nightmare

Yes. That's his actual stance but he has weakened that to appease during the primaries.

I don't know, I just know everybody talks about we can only have A or B and never discusses proper reforming

>can only have A or B and never discusses proper reforming

Expand Medicare to include the entire American population and outlaw private insurance.

the va is not a good counterexample to government programs
especially by contrast with how disgustingly inefficient the healthcare industry is now

under comrade sanders' policies, there would be no money for anything

>outlaw private insurance.
do that in your country

How exactly would you do that?
It's politically and economically impossible

The problem is that schools and banks can work together to pretty much inflate the prices in a way that both banks and schools shake hands on, that is to say, a bank would offer so much to your average student, a school would catch up, and rise it's prices according to that, and both would in a sense monitor eachoter as to decide how high can tuition be, how high can loans be, and with the goverments blessing, how high can interest be. And students cannot declare bankrupcy from said debt anymore, which is a way in which the banks say to the US people "we have the bank's back over yours"

Naturally in the past you wouldn't give loans for useless unprofitable things, but if the goverment offers you a financial slave, you recalibrate your loaning strategy.

It wouldn't be the worse if it wasn't for the fact that said schools (some) mismanage the profits so poorly in ways that do not reflect in the academic superiority of their institute.

So naturally if you consider all this you have one of the worst recipie for disaster.

The largest integrated provider of health care in the United States – public or private - operating 152 hospitals and over 1,400 outpatient clinics across the US is not a good counterexample? Why?

>I am just woefully distraught with our government and even fellow citizens, government manages the VA and that is by all accounts a clusterfuck nightmare

>Hey guys let's establish a parallel healthcare system that only pools high risk patients within a private healthcare market place. There is nothing that can go wrong with this.

The VA is a product of the current system. In countries with a universal system there is no such thing as a VA. Why? Because it's universal,everyone is covered.

>How exactly would you do that?
It's politically and economically impossible

That's a joke right? None of that is impossible.

Like when he said whites can't be poor.

God he's such a fucking cuck. His political career is over, it's not like he can run in 2024 anyway. Why couldn't he just tell the DNC to go fuck themselves for once?
I would be pissed if I were an amerishart.

We have an income threshold that already makes it illegal to enroll into a private insurance. Most left-wing parties favor a reform for single payer.

How?

The only socialist policy I would support is a free BLACKED subscription for everyone

Pass a law in congress? How do you think this works?

Over 10% of Germans have private healthcare
Why? Because it's better, and the majority of people here have it.

because an underfunded public option is not a valid comparison to a complete overhaul of the system
the reason m4a saves so much money is because a monopsony means actually fair drug prices and the billions of dollars of middleman bloat & profits gets cut out

>You can just pass a law
I thought they taught politics more in Deutsch school

He's literally and unironically not wrong

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What do you see as a viable solution?

single payer healthcare, just like literally every other developed country that isnt utterly cucked by corporations beyond repair

The treacherous redskin used her tribe's fell magics to kneecap the Sanders campaign.

I should rephrase my question
How would you realistically develop a universal system in the US?
It'd get blocked every step of the way for one, not only be republicans but also a lot of democrats
After it gets voted, the necessary infrastructural and economic changes that need to be made for such a system to be federally viable in the US would take many years, amidst those many years, enthusiasm would die out and interest groups would use the downturn to phase the whole thing out
There's a reason Obama approached the issue the way he did

Holy shit, it's an actual thing he wrote. Could all those 6d chess memes be true?

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Trump has been courting the more anti-establishment Sanders voters for a long time. It's smart, but not 6D chess smart, anyone with half a brain and a memory longer than 3 years knew the DNC would never let Sanders become the nominee.

This has to be fake.

part of the reason he won was his ability to drop a laser focused bomb of truth obstructing the two shameless lies on either side

Imagine thinking America is a democracy. You need the backing of the oligarchs to be elected.

Neither of the US politicians talk about a reform of the healthcare system, much less of building a parallel healthcare system (goverment hospitals, personal, production of healthcare items, etc) to compete with private hospitals.

Most people do not realize this, and the few that do, just want to copy this or that countries system, good for them, but the multilayered process required to breed a propper hybrid healthcare system that could potentially put the US as #1 in healthcare, public, and private for that matter, is something no politician seems to have any opinion about. Same goes for the studen loan problem, and overall credit loan system, and the now passed housing market loans issue (which in a sense is not fully gone as credit ratings are still a racket at many levels)

Just look at Bernie type of speak "we gonna fight the banks, rise the minimun wage, give healthcare for all and the rich gonna pay for everything" it just doesnt factor in the reality of the sytuation, much less offer a real plan.

Not that he lost for having no real vision though, he just lost because his party dont like him, and whatever he does will not only dont work but also ruin the party and scare sponsors away, the real crime