Dear Italy, I'm sorry our prime minister is a neoliberal.
I'm reading how the Dutch PM Mark Rutte treated you in the meeting about using the ESM funds. I am ashamed of the selfishness of the leader of our government, put in power by equally selfish right-wing voters. This is a time of solidarity. A time to reflect on the way wealth is distributed - always to the wealthy, never to those struggling. I am sorry.
hello r.eddit
Excuse me?
Reddit is irrelevant. Dutchs, anglos, swiss, jews and every other tax heaven nigger loving garbage must burn.
Don't know what you're talking about, everyone here is angry at Germany
>neoliberal
I used to think that europeans were the smartest people in the world
FUCK SHITALY LMAO
shut the fuck up white boi, fucc italy
WHEN I SAY EUROBONDS
WE (DUTCH PEOPLE) SAY SORRY
EUROBONDS
SORRY
SORRY
SORRY
The burden of relevance
SORRY
Gigabasiert
Now giv money
>everyone here is angry at Germany
Isn't that the default on this continent by now anyway?
I'm pretty sure I read this on reddit some days ago
Addio mio vecchio amico.
Fuck you Germshit, Germany is IRRELEVANT.
>crashing this union WITH NO SURVIVORS
why are germans so fixated on destroying Europe?
Why should one care about a continent that hates us?
>always going in debt and always seething and chaotic in general
I could ask the same to you
...And yet you live from our gibs
it will be better when all of you arent in it
Success breeds jealousy, brother
OPGEKANKERD
Since when you care?
We live through our own hard work, you stupid Germshit.
because we welcomed you back into our arms after you went all autistic TWICE in fifty years.
We helped with your inflation after WWI and we halved your debt after WWII.
I really don't know where you get this moral high ground when talking about monetary policies, when only decades ago you were printing more money than newspapers.
>when all of you aren't in it
>EU
>without Italy France and Spain
so basically you,Visegrad and Benelux
LMAO I'd love to see that
You are fucking psychopats.
Again, why should we?
No-matter what we'll do, you'll find some reason to use us as the boogeyman and everything wrong with this continent.
no when its just a big germany and majorca
>I really don't know where you get this moral high ground
Because Krauts have delusions of geandeur and consider everyone sub-humans.
This world is a world of psychos. Either you learn not to give a shit or someone else does and you get royally fucked. And this applies to rl, the psycho is always the winner.
Yes, we give you money and get influence in return. You think it's free? Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is the privilege of being the most powerful and >we wouldn't have become this powerful if >we had handed out free money for everyone.
>we live through our own hard work
So you don't need the 12 billion you get from the EU each year?
>and we halved your debt after WWII
Was there any fucking debt for krauts after WW2 though? I think not. It was basically 100% cancelled, even though if it wasn't, Germany would be a fucking shithole today, and would probably have to keep paying the reparations until late 2060's, seeing as they only barely managed to pay their WW1 debt like 9 years ago.
>because we welcomed you back into our arms after you went all autistic TWICE in fifty years.
Didn't you start going fascist? Weren't you our allies but incompetent as usual? We are willing to help you, but we don't want Eurobonds. Simple as. ESM is fine, it was created for situations like these.
Don't worry, we still need you to buy our products. We won't let you leave.
Jesus, you are obsessed.
And what does the GDR have to with today? You're taking a quote out of context.
>No-matter what we'll do, you'll find some reason to use us as the boogeyman and everything wrong with this continent.
You sound like a big fat KEK :|
You don't give us shit, you fucking retard. You leech x3 times as much through unfair buisness practices, and EU regulations designed to anihilate eastern European industries and economies. You are fucking repulsive in your practices. You keep your fucking economy afloat through basic theft (not even WW2 theft, though that too of course had an impact on your ''mirracolour'' recovery after 1945).
You make me laugh. I probably won't even have to think of ways to trigger you in order to yet comments like that. Perfect.
I didn't know that word "c_u_c_k" was censored...
We will leave whenever we are ready you piece of shit, we don't need you krautfags.
Don't you fucking understand you cretin? EVen your supposedely ''goodie 2 shoes non-nazi'' Adenauer considered Eastern Europeans as sub-humans, and that 'snide' remark of his only made that apparent. No, Asia did not start on the fucking Elbe. You don't get to decide where Asia starts, you pretentious, self-righteous, arrogant fuckads. You are not fucking gods. How about you learn some basic fucking human behaviour, and stop treating everyone you disagree with as fucking animals?
You have no arguments left, because you are an idiot. You scammed your way to relevance after WW2 only because NATO needed a fucking shield against Russians (not that they were even a threat, they only had beef with Germshits, because you tried to murder them all)
so leave our clubhouse if you dont like it
EU will collapse on its own soon enough, Farage made the first step.
I'm arguing against them on most things, but no they're right about this one.
Poland and Hungary are worth less then the dirt they're built on, without EU gibs.
Your "hard work" means nothing without our credibility.
>Didn't you start going fascist?
Italy was split very early on into the war, for us it's seen as a civil war more than a global one, unlike Germany where almost everyone was coerced or convinced to join the nazis, the clash of ideologies was extremely wide here.
>Weren't you our allies but incompetent as usual?
Mussolini often complained a lack of communication from your side. Hitler has started multiple battles and wars without ever telling his allies. It's pretty hard to coordinate an attack (or a long term strategy) when your allies don't tell you it's going to fucking happen, don't you think?
>We are willing to help you, but we don't want Eurobonds. Simple as. ESM is fine, it was created for situations like these.
Thing is, after what you did to Greece it's not seen in the best light within Europe, it's not the Italian opinion, but NO ONE would be willing to accept the austerity measures associated with it. Especially in a major economic powerhouse like Italy or France.
SORRY
My dear Italians,
on a serious note: You probably are our favorite country overall. We love you for many reasons, except for two things: When it comes to football and when it comes to situations like that. We are willing to help you and we already are helping where we can, as can be seen with Italian patients we are treating in German hospitals. We are well aware of your financial situation and we want to help you, but our preference would be the ESM. It's precisely there for occasions like these. We really fear giving in to Eurobonds means creating a black hole that sucks our own source dry while not satisfying your thirst. We aren't even that sure what to do, it's just that our government is slow as fuck, we all hate the coalition.
Why can't we just try ESM? You're not expected to pay it back right away. Can't you understand that we are cautious to give you a blank cheque?
we live in a society
you couldnt even win battles against you started against ethiopians. mussolini had to get rescued by german paratroopers
Bro, chill the fuck down, our goverment is fucking it's own economy up, and if not for eurogibz we would still be stuck somwhere in 1990 era infrastructure and yes, eurofuhrers should stay the fuck away from inferfering with countrie's laws and respect sovereignty, but if we are literally living drowned in debts that no matter what we would be not able to pay off in lifetime of our current civilization we have not much leverage to say anything.
Calm down bruv, acting like nigger will not solve anything.
Learn English
SORRY
All you can do is insult and sperg, why use arguments? Part of me hopes you're just a very special shitposter, but if that's the case I must admit that you're extremely good at looking genuinely retarded, your blind rage however is a bit unsettling.
You should just admit your country (countries, Germany ecc) is/are racist against south European countries.
Yeah, Society is the very reason to why they are successful. A psycho living in a village will get his/her ass kicked the very moment people figure out what kind of person that is.
Second, for a society to work people do adopt psychopathic traits because these are advantageous.
South European is not a race, and how can racism exist if there are no races?
>NO ONE would be willing to accept the austerity measures associated with it.
And NO ONE here wants to give you tons of our money and get nothing in return, not even a guarantee that you won't need more. The last few years of our financial policy had the goal to slowly, but steadily lower our own debt. Eurobonds would tear all of that down.
Believe me, we all have a bad conscience, but this is pretty logical from our viewpoint. I'm sure our politicians would accept a fair compromise.
Will you shut up about Eurobonds then? Because I'll personally "admit" it on behalf of my country even though it's obvious bullshit.
Oops, wrong flag. Almost fooled you.
Have you thought that there's maybe a reason?
We don't need those gibs, they are robbing and destroying our economies. They are parasites.
What the fuck are you talking about? His English is fine.
learned helplessness
You are just an ignorant retard.
Sheer instinct?
>there's maybe a reason?
*Treason
>It's yet another episode of: "We were better at genocide than you"
ok, but we were talking about monetary policy.
Eurobonds would be regulated by ECB organisms, single countries wouldn't be able to just accumulate debt as they please.
ESM is not efficient since it ties the whole economy to inefficient and arbitrary standards which simply cannot be adopted by major countries. We don't want to, and you can't afford us ending up like Greece
>And NO ONE here wants to give you tons of our money and get nothing in return
That's just plain wrong, do you even know what a bond is? The debt would be asked by the ECB (so we would have no direct authority on new issues) and guaranteed by it in case of default, but everyone still pays for what they take out, to put it simply. The only way that you would end up paying is if we defaulted, but given the fact that Italy (unlike Germany) has never ONCE defaulted in its existence, given the fact that the average household net worth is MUCH higher in Italy, France and Spain, compared to Germany, it's pretty much impossible for it to happen.