How come Portugal hasn't annexed Galicia? Aren't Portuguese literally Galicians

How come Portugal hasn't annexed Galicia? Aren't Portuguese literally Galicians

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I'm waiting for Spain to be on the losing side of a war so that people can see how that shit really is.
There'll be at least 5 countries in the peninsula after that.

>Aren't Portuguese literally Galicians

galician warlords conquered northern Portugal and the County of Portugal was in the Kingdom of Galicia but they are their own thing for 900 years

>How come Portugal hasn't annexed Galicia?

it's pretty poor, why would they annex it?

>I'm waiting for Spain to be on the losing side of a war so that people can see how that shit really is.
>There'll be at least 5 countries in the peninsula after that.

the only ones who desire independence are Catalonia and galicia, and with a trade embargo from spain Catalonia and basque country would be forced to rejoin spain.

It will happen, just not in our lifetime.

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catalonia and basque county i meant.

The Portuguese language and the Galician language are the most similar to each other.

Galicians are rotting Spain from the inside for us.

I thought that was the Catalonians. Aren't Galicians autonomous and kinda irrelevant like the Basque?

if spain declared a trade embargo with portugal, the portuguese would starve and the border regions would join spain.

Also another question Spain lost most of its wars against Portugal. How come Portugual didn't take land from Spain?

The fact that Portugal exists at all and that it expanded southward for two centuries is not enough for you?

Galicians are doing it on purpose via dictatorships and starting civil wars. Catalonians are just doing it for the money and sheet autism.

All the border regions are all empty, mate. Everyone lives by the coast.

Jokes aside, Iberia is a dry mountain. We have most of the green parts. Unless we went all the way to Madrid, there'd be no way to suplly-line and defend it all (or any reason to).

Galicia is to the North and we just wanted to conquer Southwards and expand christiandom. We have nothing against the Galicians and throughout history we both shared immigration waves into each other.

Because Spain was too strong

>All the border regions are all empty, mate. Everyone lives by the coast.
tell me how many goods and trade would flow into portugal if it was embargoed by spain and no land trade was allowed to go to portugal?

But the shithole parts have other resources though? Then again I guess the gains from a worldwide colonial empire makes that worthless.

el primer conte de portugal era asturiano

By sea and by air?

there's plenty of population closer to spain and more reliant on spain for survival and economy than portugal.

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>Aren't Portuguese literally Galicians

yes, which is why portugal is literally spain

>By sea
>by air
a fraction of trade and significantly more expensive using much more fuel and resources for transportation, portugal would be an albania without spain.

Because real life isn't a ck2 game. No reason to grab useless land

Albania/GDP per capita
4,537.86 USD (2017)

portugal has no resources and nothing to trade and offer others for their importation and the despiration of portuguese for their trade will see portugal get fucked by price gauging.

By sea? We have sizeable ports and a decent fleet for our size. Shit, the last time they did a land-embargoed us, we went to India the long way round, so that wouldn't really work for them.

They're not shithole parts, they are rocky/sandy wastelands where you can grow cereal on if you bother to build an insane irrigation system. Hardly worth it for Spain as it is, why would we care?

Your map proves otherwise. Look at a population density map of Iberia. The first cities are halfway distance to Madrid.

We were both called Spaniards until Castille decided it should be the official name for your country. Up until the 16h century a Portuguese would be called a Spaniard just as much as a Castillian. We had to go back to the greek word "Iberian" because you guys never managed to get the whole thing. Awkward, innit?

Most of the imports come by sea. Sines would be a perfectly good port like Roterdam or Antwerp if the Spanish hadn't picked a wider rail gauge than the rest of Europe because it's so mountainous that the first trains could not climb it.

because they couldnt, they won defensively not offensively

you're not aware that the border region is also empty on the spanish side, save for a few exceptions like Badajoz

This. We even tried to siege Madrid once or twice, if I recall correctly. You can't win offensively in Iberia.

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Vimara Peres era de A Coruña, deja de desinformar

Alright I see. One other question I had. What made Portugal successful while the others failed and were forced to join Castille?

>Alright I see. One other question I had. What made Portugal successful while the others failed and were forced to join Castille?

Others were smart and joined castille and became much more wealthy than moortugal.

>You can't win offensively in Iberia.
The French did.

>despiration
>price gauging

>You can't win offensively in Iberia.
The French did lose.

They didn't failed, they were all related by blood.

What do you have against Portugal? You seem very aggressive in your posts

Iberia was France's vietnam

Relation by blood is kinda irrelevant in these types of issues

Fertile Kings and less marriages with the Castilian crown, I guess. There was also help from the English and a general better military than the Aragonese.

It's one of those things, Portugal exists because we fought harder for it. All old small countries must have done so, otherwise they wouldn't be. We also had a lot better terrain helping us, and pretty decent strategists and a united population to band together, something the Spaniards never really did.

When? With Napoleon? They got Spain by trickery and they never actually got Portugal.

Although I guess the Portuguese and Spanish did win offensively agaisnt the Moors and the Moors against the Germanics and the Germanics against the Romans and the Romans against the Celts and so on. After a while we just settled enough people for it to stop being feasible.

It's not, that's why Léon united with Castille, and Castille later united with Aragón.

I hate inferior countries?
Portugal · GDP per capita (current US$)
$3,368.70 USD (1980)
Spain · GDP per capita (current US$)
$6,191.71 USD (1980)

Never forget

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no they didnt

Portugal should annex Spain.

>How come Portugal hasn't annexed Galicia?
Because they're weaker than Spain, you dumbass
That's like asking why Canada hasnt annexed Vermont.

That just makes it funnier to me. We'd rather be poor than Spanish. The Spanish language is sort of seen as a dirty version of Portuguese, and we don't hold much respect for it in general. Money can't buy class, I guess.

But we're on generally good terms now. We just see them as the evil old brother, just like they look at the French. And they don't give a fuck about us, just like the French don't give a fuck about them.

What for?

Yeah and Portugal came into being when one guy revolted against his mother

Galicia annexing Portugal is more feasible at this point.

why should the inferior annex the superior?
spain literacy 1982 92%
Portugal literacy rate for 2011 was 94.48%, a 6.53% increase from 1991
1981 portugal literacy 79.4

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>. The Spanish language is sort of seen as a dirty version of Portuguese,
That's just stupid as fuck. Both languages are dirtier versions of latin

There's something wrong about you. You seem obsessed

>Albania
really makes me think

If Portugal annexes Spain, Catalans and Basques are out. Same population all together. Another Andalucia is unsustainable for Spain.

>What made Portugal successful while the others failed and were forced to join Castille?
They revolted at the same time as the catalonians.
Then the catalonians asked the french to invade them so Spain was forced to bully the catalonians back into submission as well as beating France.
The portuguese just rebelled at the best time.

He's a chicano

I know it doesn't make sense, but since their language is simpler phonetically, it hits the uncanny valley and just sounds childish and like wrong Portuguese to us. Brazil as well to a lesser extent, not going to lie. It's not really our fault, it just sounds like wrong Portuguese, sorry. Italian is farther away for it not to register like that, for example.

Reading C*stilian is not literacy. They have like 7 sounds.

He's a mentally ill cuban larping as spanish. You also seem obsessed though.

Plenty of Luso-Canadians going around. He could be one of the estranged ones wanting to know more about it. Probably Azorean, too.

>We'd rather be poor than Spanish
And dumber, and less literate, and less educated, and inferior in every category.
average wage

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And why would a Chicano care about a Spain vs Portugal rivalry he probably has no idea what it's actually like?

You're a just dumb. Everyone who feels superior or inferior for cultural, economical, heritage is. Because, what did you fuck achieve for all that? Absolutely nothing, just like me. Random facts.

Yeah, but not Spanish.

Why do you even care, you aren't even Spanish why are you sucking them dry?

I'm just curious.

why are you guys so prone to migrate?
you are only marginally poorer than us yet there's a fuckton of you lot everywhere and we barely migrate.
I am from spain btw.

Yes, and you should be banned from spain, and embargoed as well as building a wall.

Portugal has way more soul that Asspain

> Why do you even care, you aren't even Spanish why are you sucking them dry?
I'm just stating the truth, mortugal delenda est. .

incorrect

Again, I said here it doesn't make too much sense. But seeing as Castilian completely fucked over Basque, Cataloniand and Galician, you can't blame us for wanting to be left alone. Would you guys join France? They are richer than you.

That's just Portuguese culture. You're meant to fight for yourself if you need to, and being afraid of travelling and exploring the world is seen as something desirable. Even now things are a bit stabler people expect to work a couple of years abroad and return after a while. It's just who we are in general. You can also see it on how much better we learn languages and put them to practice. Spaniards are much more homely in that regard.

I'm all for a wall, mate. We love us some civil engineering.

The portuguese and the spanish quintessentially look like the same shit lol

the desert are talking aaaaaaa

watch were youre going frenchie

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>But seeing as Castilian completely fucked over Basque, Cataloniand and Galician
You mean those languages that are still around, taught and used day to day by Basques, Catalonians and Galicians?
>Would you guys join France?
Now that's a good way to get your culture killed.

>you are only marginally poorer than us yet there's a fuckton of you lot everywhere and we barely migrate.
they have 2x less wages as well as 2x less median wealth than spain.

portugal morto di famine

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The bane of Napoleon

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We don't care mate

>You mean those languages that are still around, taught and used day to day by Basques, Catalonians and Galicians?
Not for lack of trying by Franco, though. Urban Galician sounds like a Castilian mess. Plus, almost none of the languages you mentioned have as rich a literature as ours (they have their own literature, I presume), even if they do still speak it. It's not even the majority language in their own regions.
>Now that's a good way to get your culture killed.
Yeah, they were a lot more aggressive :( RIP occitan.

Tbf if Napoleon hadn't fucked us over we would have probably annexed you but then with all the nationalistic stuff you would have rebelled and gained back your independence 50 years laters.

what a meany

I know France killed regionalism but are the Basques in France still Basques or did they lose all of that?

Literally better than Spain in every way in the soul department

But you guys did invade in 1762, 7 years after an Earthquake levelled our capital. And you still lost against peasants in the Douro valley and an ammo-less army in the south. The seven year war was your largest military mobilisation up until then against a wounded country and you got demolished so hard your colonies began revolting.

Napoleon still did you guys (and us) dirty, though.

Portugal is the Albania of Spain, poor illiterate gypsies.
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I would actually prefer for Spain to annex Portugal and break into a nation of confederations based on historico-cultural regionalism.

And yes, i'm a huge spainboo

how, we are literally the same plus we have more cultures

Spain and Portugal talked about but ultimately decided they didn’t like the way the borders look on the map so they decided against it and kept it the way it was

just larp now

No such thing as "Iberian" culture, ripping off italians isn't a culture

Soul not culture

Rip

>No such thing as "Iberian" culture, ripping off italians isn't a culture
Castile-Galician-Aragonese-Navarrese culture mix and same nation in a single kingdom.

there are a few people who speak some funny sounding basque dialects and retain the typical basque architecture but they are a bit of a meme

we beat you well in 1801 and in 1807 the plan was to divide portugal in 3 different kingdoms uder spanish influence but the french screwed us.
Funny though.

Portugal being the western strip of Iberia looks good though

I'm Basque but born in Catalonia. Feeling superior is dumb. Specially because you did absolutely nothing for that supposed superiority. Feeling superior is the very first condition to be portrayed as a nazi. I want the independence of Catalonia because I really believe we are completely aside, politically and culturally. Not because we are better. Having more or less coins doesn't make you a worse or better human being. Drink some camamilla and relax.

>It's not even the majority language in their own regions
Pois quitando cidades coma A Coruña ou Vigo si que o é, pero entendo o que ques dicir, os Galegos e os Cataláns temos un baldeiro literario dende a idade media ate o século XIX.

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