Any East Europeans care to share how affordable commie blocks are? Like how much of your income do you pay for housing?
Commie blocks get a lot of rap but they seem alluring compared to the West's typical rentier capitalism where housing costs 30-50%+ of income in major cities
It’s actually there most expensive place to live in the world when you consider the cost to your happiness
You don't think 30-50% of your income saps happiness? That's many of those 10-20 recently unemployed American's top concern right now with all these COVID employer shut downs - how are they gonna pay rent/mortgage.
What? They look comfy af dude
Have you ever seen the insides of those motherfuckers? The apartments themselves look really nice. The outside just looks like shit because russians are based and cba to give a shit how other people see them.
I'm not sure where you people get your delusions that we somehow pay less rent because durr commieblock so cheap because commie.
A small studio in a commieblock in a major city is at least $500 per month with the median wage after taxes hovering around ~$850.
Typical rabidly anti-communist pole
To answer OP, many pay very little because governments had a progressive privatization where ownership was transfered to the residents, thus giving post-commie countries the highest nonmortgaged home ownership rate in the OECD.
My commieblock flat first person.
do you feel shame for living in such destitution?
I don't care where to live. I lived in tents, wooden huts, sleeping bags, village cottages, hostels, dormitories, bungaloos and almost ruins. Here I have the Internet, central heating and water supply so I couldn't care less.
Based.
Or maybe a typical Pole living in Poland paying Polish rent instead of an American masturbating to his imaginary visions of foreign paradise and teaching others about life in their own country.
Those homes you're thinking of are largely properties in bumfuck nowhere. The statistic is also misleading because it's calculated by dividing owner occupied homes by the total number - which means the young who are too poor to afford to move out and start their own households artificially create a statistical paradise where everyone owns his own place.
The reality is that the villages and towns are career dead ends and everyone with any ambition is forced to move to one of the major cities, which suffer from a serious undersupply of affordable housing. You either suck it up and pay half your wage in rent till your 30s or resign yourself to living forever in a family home.
You're refuting your own supposed point: you have effective free rent in the family house produced and transferred by the government meanwhile market rate housing in the city costs unreasonable amounts of income. The problem is a *lack* of commie blocks - all the ones that exist are a) legacy of communism and b) not in population centers and the capitalist governments are not creating any more. Don't know why you pretend the alternative is better - America crushes even multi-generational households, which is why many parents charge their children rent
> A small studio in a commieblock in a major city is at least $500 per month with the median wage after taxes hovering around ~$850.
Same, but studio is ~$400 a month and average wages are around ~$300 to ~$500 a month
depends where you live. EU eastern europe, same shit as everywhere else, similar prices (if we're talking about warsaw, it's about $450-$600).
Renting in Moscow is a bad idea, the prices more or less close to the center are california/bay area tier. $1k+ easily.
Wait, I'm confused? OP makes it sound like the commieblocks are owned by the government but the government is the same high prices as profit owners? What's even the point then? Are the governments that corrupt?
but the government is charging*
Apartments are private owned
> $400
Oops, ~$300
commie block /=/ social housing
They're just buildings. Could be owned by anyone, and get turned into market rate over time.
Were you homeless
I pay 330 eur + utilities per month for 50 sq.m. apartment in Riga, it's not a commieblock though but a pre-war house. I earn 2k per month after taxes.
99,5% of all housing in Russia is privately owned, including the "commieblocks". There are only a few social groups that could be granted with a free apartment (but the government still has to buy an apartment for the person from the building company) such as: orphans, soldiers and their families and probably some veterans. But as I've already mentioned they are such a small group of people so it doesn't even count.
Nope, I just traveled a lot.
Soulless American suburbs ain’t that much better.
>You don't think 30-50% of your income saps happiness?
Man, you’d be lucky to spend that little on rent here. I hope this quarantine goes on long enough to make the housing bubble pop.
its not affordable, rent prices are horrendous, the better the place the more it costs, your rent is friendly compared to ours, its not cheap because its a commieblock, social housing is abolished basicly
if you own one its still terrible because it was built cheaply, its robust because its concrete, so you aint gona punch a hole in the wall, but they are badly insulated so costs more to heat it, you can only heat it with central heating, the electric network is hopelessly outdated, it needs rewiring, if i start my vacuum cleaner, washing machine and PC i can maybe turn on another thing, but anything above that causes a shutdown
the pipes and tubes of the building are OLD, 50-30-20years old, my "hot" water is room tempreture sometimes
another issue is the cost of energy, these buildings waste energy and electricity/gas costs alot
>but you can renovate it
if you live in a commieblock you wont afford all these things and if you do than you better off buying a brick house somewhere
it would be fine if it was renovated, mine got new insulation and new windows and new radiators so i can actually set the heating not just on/off in rooms, plus a solar panel on the roof to help with energy consumption but the majority is just rotting away
its kinda the same price as here wtf that not cheap at all
The houses that cost 30% - 50% are nicer than those commieblocks though. Rent is one of your most important expenses, why spend it on something shit?
Because most people don't have 30%-50% more to pay
Alternatives are even more expensive. Building a decent house (for the climate) can cost 80 grand or so.
80 grand to BUILD your own house
That's the price of renting a house for a year in London, feels bad man
Nice
Fuck off retard. That's better than most American's places on Yas Forums
i have exact same iron in my house
Yeah that’s like the cheapest one proving you already bought land.
Sorry I forgot how much land costs here.
fucking awesome
Hollering
lel I was going to say the same thing
I don't know why but there's a tendency online to call Eastern European apartment houses commie blocks. Functionally they're no different then what you have, say, in the middle of Manhattan.
wut, I used to spend 15% of my income on rent, now it is even lower that I have a mortgage
en.wikipedia.org
This is a pretty good read about the origin of commieblocks if you're interested.
Actually even in the Soviet Union they mocked those soulless unified buildings. Picrelated:
"Could you tell me please, where is the Institute of Typical House Projects?"
The problem is that even if the apartments are owned, still the wages are so low so even lack of 'rent' understood as a fee paid to a landlord doesn't compensate it and at the end of the month an American is left with a bigger amount of money than an average Easterner.
Also, only boomers in small towns own most of apartments, in big cities people under 30 usually rent and then take out a mortgage for the next 30 years for a 45 sqm apartment that is considered a 2+2 family apartment here (probably smaller than your American toilet).
btw, westerners are so annoying when they think 'low rent' is just a universal solution for all problems and they think everyone in the world makes the same wages like Americans, only rent prices differ
>median wage after taxes hovering around ~$850.
one year ago maybe, now it's gonna be like $500 with massive unemployment
God, I hate Krokodil (newspaper), it's better to have no freedom of info, than a state monitored passive aggressive pity bullshit ""critique""
It's my 15 years income, feels bad man
Based Corona-Chan
>haha poland is so cheap when i was there i had 3 beers for a quid meight!!!
I guess they do the same in Hungary
Comfy
And even that isn't true anymore...
Still true here with the shittiest supermaket brand beer. A quid is around 5.5 lei. I wouldn't drink it even if I was dying of thirst.
I pay 100 doll. for rent and about 6-7 doll. for electricity, water etc. Not really much, I think
I've no idea how people can even drink those bottom shelf beers. Just grab a vodka if all you care about is getting drunk on the cheap.
i live in single room (+kitchen) flat in pretty fresh (built in 2015) bulding
earn ~850$/m
rent is ~230$
No, if it looks "nice" inside truly depends on what you do with it. I wouldn't call the average "nice" though. Only the renovated ones that were built during a later part of the USSR anyhow.
Otherwise, even the hallways look like a ww2 underground prison. If you live there you're embarrassed to bring someone back to your place.
And the renovated and well taken care of ones, in at least a semi-decent neighborhood will set you back some...
To be fair, you can live in one that's nice on the inside and in a renovated gommieblock, for like 35-40% of your wage. BUT another thing to factor in - how big are those rentier housing places you're talking about? Square meters/feet?
I pay 2911 SEK per month (€265) in my mid sized city (~100k) commie building. Electricity (differs every month, obv, but it's around 1 SEK/kWh for the electricity and net fee, latter is more expensive) and internet (234 SEK) not included. I also pay for a parking spot with an outlet (210 SEK) to heat my car during the winter. Adding those up I paid 3530 SEK last month (€322)
That's 12.2% of the average wage in my city. For just the rent it's 10.0%.
why socialism works in Sweden but not in Slavlands?
Sweden didn't ruin trust among it's citizen and government by gullaging anyone who didn't tow the party line.
Important factor - unless renovated(which if properly done is quite expensive) they do not maintain heat well. As in - in the winter, you'll pay your balls off for heating the place to an acceptable temperature.
They take up 2x more energy than apartment blocks that are in Scandinavian countries to heat.
Extremely inefficient.
because they're too selfish to build a fully-functioning society
I had the prices at bars in mind, not shops. But even then, the cheapest beer you can get is like 50 cents here, cheapest drinkable a little over euro.
That's more of a lack of maintenance issue, rather than that type of building being inherently inefficient.
Sweden is a blend of capitalism and socialism. Not a state run communist economy. Also cultural differences. We have more crime and corruption and until we cure that - strong socialist ideas are counter-productive.
Yes thats how it was during denationalization, dirt cheap housing and credit. It's not like that anymore, literally no young person can afford an apartment these days unless they come from a rich family. Mostly no one is willing to pay off their debt for housing for 10/20 years, actually enslaving yourself. Kys mutt.
We should build favelas like we did in the interbellum. Some are still around.
Even if gommieblock apartments are completely renovated, they are ~25% less efficient than apartment blocks in Scandies (quoting full research paper by LSTA)
wtf I thought the Prvni Republika was a rich and developed country, at least Czechs always idealize it.
I found shitty supermarket beer sold for 1 eur/L here tho, you can also buy much stronger supermarket wine for 1,6 eur/L
The difference doesn't seem so huge
commieblocks should be demolished and terraced/semi-detached houses should be built there instead
having a small backyard where you can make a bbq party should be a human right
Renovated as in sticking polystyrene to the building then painting over, right?
It isn't cheap at all. We've been stuck in a bubble of ever-growing housing prices for years now. People are constantly deserting villages and moving to cities, which keeps inflating the prices.
You're clueless.
>Renovated as in sticking polystyrene to the building
this is so 2009
now it's polyurethane foam
Is it comparing energy consumption? If so I can explain that difference - retarded babushkas putting the thermostat on 5 and opening the window to make the room less hot, because that's how it used to work during commie times.
Then there's an issue of scumbag contractors cutting costs by hiring inexperienced workers and not checking the work that has been done. See a "renovated" apartment, in which wind would blow out a candle if you were to put it on the window sill. With all windows closed.
What are the chances we both work for the same company lol?
remember the little event called The Great Depression?
now we will have another great depression, thanks to covid and rents won’t go down as doing so would lower the price of the property, so cities will become ghost towns surrounded by ring of chaotic violent mudbrick slums.
KEK dafuq. Self-built by a single janitor down on his luck?
>pic related
>left - 60's/70's commieblock
>right - interwar apartmentoid block
dailymail.co.uk
just think how good they have it, every British family has a backyard and even if they're closed at home they still can do sport, while here if you wanted to run around the commieblock the police could fine you for violating quarantine rules
forgot to mention why the babushka did that - almost all pensioners qualify for "heating compensation", which basically meant that they pay no more than 10% of their income for heating. It didn't matter how much heat they used, it would cost them the same amount. So why save, right? They've changed it now, it's still 10% of income, but now there are some limits as to how much energy you can use, and if you go over you pay the full price. You wouldn't believe the shitstorm it caused.
>now we will have another great depression, thanks to covid and rents won’t go down as doing so would lower the price of the property, so cities will become ghost towns surrounded by ring of chaotic violent mudbrick slums.
why rents won't go down? if tourism doesn't exist, rent in Prague will certainly hit rock bottom, here in Poland we already see rent prices falling down
>People are constantly deserting villages and moving to cities
Wat
Urban population has been decreasing for years now
People leave cities and buy houses in bumfuck nowhere because they fell for the "peace and quiet" meme