What Dutch people think of South Africa and vice versa

Afrikaners all move to Australia, the UK and the US, they play rugby and probably cricket, they attend your universities, etc
Our languages are indeed related but that's just where things end. The British took them from us and from there on they moved into the Anglosphere.

What about the Dutch East Indies/Indonesia, is there much Dutch presence there still? Do many Dutch people know about it?

No absolutely not. Shortly after WW2 there was a short war of independence and after that decolonization. During that period pretty much every person who was either
- Dutch
- hapa
- KNIL (colonial army) soldier
- otherwise related to the Dutch occupation
Moved here as a refugee because they all feared (and got) revenge.

This has caused shitloads of Indonesians here though who's descendants rank into a million +. Not full blown Asians though but imagine white people with black hair and suspiciously slanted eyes.

>Not full blown Asians though but imagine white people with black hair and suspiciously slanted eyes.
Hello its me. Also im brown man not gonna lie.

Suriname and the Dutch antilles are the places to go if you're looking for a tropical Dutch experience

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Any examples
Any celebrities

Geert Wilders.
Thierry Baudet.
Jesse Huta Galung

In my class in highschool were shitloads of Indonesians, and in terms of looks they went from full blown Asian to a blonde guy with some Indonesian great-grandmother

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>Geert Wilders.
Ha, unexpected

They really look ''regular'' and non ethnic

Eddie and alex van halen.
Indo's either cook or play music.

>In my class in highschool were shitloads of Indonesians, and in terms of looks they went from full blown Asian to a blonde guy with some Indonesian great-grandmother
Lol so true. My uncle is white with blue eyes but you see the indo in is eye shape though. My dad is brown and im light brown. Also see these three. Theyre sisters and have indo roots.

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Any women?

Their intermarriage rates have always been stupidly high, their sense of community has been destroyed in the 70s with the notable exception of the Mollucan people.
They are our model immigrants to the point they are no longer immigrants at all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_Indos

My favorite is Ranomi Kramowidjodjo
It's important to remember we have two strains of Indonesians here: Javanese (Asiatics) and Mollucans (Australoids). The latter are much darker, sometimes have negroid hair and on average I'd say are bigger.

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one is a nigger shithole

the other is a moroccan shithole

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>because of economic of philosophic reasons
explain.

To be fair, they were never really immigrants to begin with, but citizens of the kingdom

How about people from ABC islands?

>economic
They wanted better economic prospects for themselves either in the form of more money or more land. Notably many farmers left the Netherlands as land is scarce and only the oldest son inherits the land from the father. Ironically said son would often be the one to move after selling the family farm and using this money to buy 20x the amount in Canada.
>philosophic
1. Religious nutjobs felt threatened by the ever secularising Dutch government and society and would leave for a place that allowed them to keep their way of life without sending their kids to school etc. These are mainly found in South-Africa and North-America.
2. A lot of people also just didn't feel at home in the urbanized Netherlands and wanted more freedom. They also left for the new world.

Today it's almost exclusively assholes that after getting a free ride all the way through a masters degree who head to the USA for $100k salaries working as doctors or programmers. I wish we could stop them at the airport and have them pay back a million or so.

Were treated like such though hence why they assimilated completely.

Have you ever met an Afrikaner lol

Here's another example. Thierry Baudet, current leader of the Dutch nationalist party. I think his grandmother was (half) Indonesian. Interesting thing is that all the mixed Indonesians I've met were nationalist as fuck because in general they were treated quite badly but forced themselves into society through hardwork + intermarriage and then had to see how in the 60s untill now all the muslim migrants/refugees were given all the free gibs and it made them very butthurt.

In context to the thread, the Dutch nationalist parties are in favour of shipping all the Afrikaners into NL if they desire to do so.

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They're black Caribbean slave descendants. People think of them as funny entertainers but also good for nothing, violence, crime etc.

jesus christ why are your hapa women looks like dhopped gigachads

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Nice snacks, most young people I know have been there because dude weed lmao

>asian man fucking white woman
Based hapa
>white man fucking asian woman
Cringe hapa

Yes but only because Anglo South Africans are dominant over Afrikaners

In that case nearly all Indo's would be cringe because they're all the result of local women birthing a hapa from some sailor who was stationed there.

the one you posted is AMWF hapa though

I guess there is nothing racial about Dutch nationalism. Sounds like ''Liberals'' and Islamists have literally nothing to be buthurt about...but they are.
>Dutch nationalist parties are in favour of shipping all the Afrikaners into NL if they desire to do so
Isn't EU and South Africa banning that?

I was in amsterdam for a week and noticed a very strange sort of segregation. All the native dutch friend groups had people that looked very similar to themselves. For example, here in Canada you will have friend groups of descendants of anglos, french, germans etc. But in Amsterdam, it seemed like all friend groups had the same background going back 10 generations. I don't think I ever saw a dutch group of friends with a non-white. Why is this?

Also, I saw a lot of people riding bikes in business/professional clothes in the middle of summer.

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They think it's racist to only select the Afrikaners, it's either open borders for all south africans (including all the blacks) or nothing.

40% of 'white'(afrikanoids are overcompensating omega mutts) are anglo stop stereotyping

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South Africans are cunts lol

People tend to stick to the people they meet in school or university for the rest of their lives. And most times it is fellow white people because the non-whites go to different schools and often fail entry for uni (if they do, they are usually loner incels)

There absolutely is a racial aspect to Dutch nationalism, there's also a cultural layer and they sometimes are in conflict.
>why is this
Because people grow up segregated as well. My entire group of friends + extended friends are all white too. Nobody dislikes immigrants at all, it's just that if you are white, you grew up white and all the things you do are white.
Muslims in particular grow up very insular within their neighborhoods, their worlds are very small and they hardly ever meet any Dutch people.
Black people too to a lesser extend. Sometimes a mullato manages to make it out and get some white friends.

Though I don't think it's like that for everyone in Amsterdam. Immigrants have been around for so long you'd expect a bit more mixed groups of friends.

Did I stutter?
She is an athlete though so unfair example.

t. Kevin kromowidjojo

You forgot one group of people
Mixed race people for some reason almost exclusively have Dutch friends too. And they also only date Dutch people, both the men and women.

You didn't explain why different types of white dutch segregate.

Yes but that is mostly the case if the father is white. A mulatto with a white mom will often cope how black he is in order to prove something and that usually puts white people off.

Most Dutch people don't even remember they exist.

But it's literally about ethnicity.
Funny how they cry about only non-white minorities. Israel for example accepts all the Jews. It's technically racial, religious and ethnic discrimination...because I could convert, but they would not give me citizenship (by the way I support that, same has to be done with Boers )

To be quite fair, they did a genetic testing once and Afrikaners are less that 1/3d Dutch (albeit they often carry Dutch (sur)names due to founder effect)

While South Africa has more native Afrikaans speakers than native English speakers.

I meant mixed race in the broader sense of the word, so anyone who's half non-Dutch like Turkish, Indo or whatever. They always would end up being that one brown person in some all white friend group

So they are a Dutch,German,French,British mix.
How multicultural and diverse. But not diverse for ''Liberals''

But even then it still applies, the half Turks I knew were still mostly hanging out with the Afghans etc. For indos it doesn't matter at this point, they can't even be considered the token non-white.

>You didn't explain why different types of white dutch segregate.
What do you mean? People tend to hang out based on what they have in common and in general people here dress according to whatever subcategory they fit in with.
So you probably see a typical group of corps students characterized by long hairs and wannabe formal clothing, you see underclass people looking ugly as always, art hoes, etc
We are very superficial people.

Average Dutch friend group

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I am half Dutch and half Indonesian and that has nothing to do with the colonial past.

Absolutely not my experience at all. Like I said before all half-Dutch half-something people I know end up having Dutch friends and partners.
I present you
Sem, Ruben, Levi, Thijs and Jonathan (the Asian)

Ahahaha, have you ever met an Afrikaner?
They're total trash. That's what makes them endearing, but they're trash nonetheless.
What's Suriname like, and what's its relationship to the Netherlands like? It seems like one of the most mysterious places on earth, a black hole of information.
Contrary to Yas Forumslutant propaganda, when a minority group is properly integrated into a majority group, the minority group tends to get absorbed with little change occurring to the majority group.
Why were the Dutch and Indonesians so successful at integrating?

>What's Suriname like
Weird. Black hole of the earth. It's somewhere inbetween a Latam nation and African one.
Funny thing about Suriname is that because of it's tiny population the country itself is like a big village where almost everyone is connected in some way and someone cheating on their wife makes headlines.
>Why were the Dutch and Indonesians so successful at integrating?
They've been around since the late 40s before anyone else, they were refugees based on being Dutch(ified) already.
We hardly got any 'real' Indonesians at all. Only Mollucans were non-Dutch and they still have their own neighborhoods with a history of terrorism.