Is the dream dead?

Did you really hope for European solidarity? I am Italian, a founding state and European solidarity has never existed. Italy has asked for masks and other medical material, no response from the EU, indeed "germany" has stolen 2 million masks sent from China to Italy and Switzerland, stay away from the EU. ITALEXIT.

Europe lives in death.

first Rome is true Rome but you are welcome too

>tf
>tp

>imagine being such a small piece of land and yet hating each other with passion
when will white people be civilised?

You're only a nation because of a small white ruling class civilizing millions of natives

God i fucking hope so

Look at statistics. Apart from incel freaks most conervatard nationalists are pensioners.

Wrong proxy, Igor

Not in Eastern Europe tho
Here zoomers are much more nationalist and conservative than older generations for some reason

Can you not be nationalistic and pro EU at the same time

Those two concepts are fundamentally opposed to each other

U can be a European nationalist

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No such thing as a European nation

Poland is getting dumber every year
Unironically the most based people are actual boomers (the socialist ones, not the religious ones)

>socialism
>based

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not yet,but like any other nation in history it has to start somewhere

economic and military MED union when?

Found the bydlo

EU is dominated by liberal establishment and is clearly trying to become real federation,trying to be like United States of Europe so I don't think so
It's just legitimately against concept of modern nation - states and most nationalists have massive boner for Sovereignity n shieet when EU to strength its position must take some tasks which today belong to sovereign states from them
Of course you could be nationalist and defending current structure of EU but that's only leads to EU becoming essentially braindead and states which are still losing up their tasks to European institutions

It's pointless you would be too weak.
Not even the entire EU is enough anymore.

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the gib-beggers are true bydlo
being a socialist is a disgrace to our country

True and it's really hard to puzzle why it's happening like that
Maybe that's due to our extreme Americanization and darwinist economical model after 1989 which turned most people into braindead consoomers

It was a pipe dream destined to fail spectacularly from the beginning. There is nothing more cringe than a Yurotrash saying "we Europeans" when the continent spans numerous different cultures, politics and agendas. This is most prominent with social attitudes between the West and East of the continent, and economic management between the North and South.

>become real federation,trying to be like United States of Europe
I support this.

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It's just getting started

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don't worry u and your negative attitudes have left evropa already

Are you just going to ignore pan-nationalism and how nations are constructed? Nations are social constructs, if it can be imagined it can be created.

I should be Emperor of Europe

god I want this to happen so bad
why cant one of u superpowers just take over the entire world already? Im so fucking tired of all cold war play pretend

as long as the US exists, no. the EU dream is just another mask for anti-americanism solidarity. you guys literally cannot live without us

Looks like that time I no-CBed the irish to escape the ottomans and kept skanderbeg alive for 50 years, annexing the british isles.

*sucks off the pope*
>the gib-beggers are true bydlo
*dismantles industry*
>being a socialist is a disgrace to our country
*whores himself to america*

if you are so retarded that you think that socialism is "free stuff" you really need to be shot

Union for cultural exchanges (ie fucking other girls from other countries), research sharing, foreign policy coordination, free movement of people (except to get a job) to promote tourism, military assistance pledge, and nothing more

leaving economic policy, public services, and regional planning to the people it concerns

stop diluting responsibilities in high-spheres and have people governed in everyday matters by people close to them

you're right, but they clearly stopped begging for more integration
IF the UK manages to come out on top of the Breggxit debacle (which, if it weren't for the covid, would have happened), and IF the EU didn't suddenly realise they need to help Greece with migrants, the EU would be dead standing right now, like the Cid fighting Moors

Even now, they have to basically betray their liberal and pseudo-humanist values because their careless ideological incompetence in Greece let neonazis fill the void

if you read Varoufakis's book on the Eurogroupe, you'll see how bad things really are

You want Albania to control the world?

i know it is not the free stuff
it's theft

We need a common military and a single foreign policy.

but why then does paris decide these matters for occitan france or french guyana?

Also common emergency response. If the EU was a single country and had acted as a singular entity the COVID19 response would've been implemented everywhere at the same time and would've been far more effective. Having different EU members reacting differently is making us all less efficient. An EU nation would have been better at tackling this crisis.

Ideally you would just have a centralized government but judging by how much Europeans hate eachother that would rest in the realm of fantasy.

only boomers hate the idea of a united europe here

I doubt it.

not in this day and age

not even our far right party campaigns on leaving the eu

>a common military
Austria-Hungary comes to mind as a disastrous example of that.
A common military, when we are with so many different command structures, tactics, equipement, military intelligence services which are probably going to shoot in each other's feet all day... will only end up in services either fighting for relevancy (and impeding each other) or worst, claiming they're not competent for X or Y situation (this is already what happened with economic policy. The president of ECB claims he's not here to do politics, and that states should go see the chairman of the Eurogroup for monetary policies, while the chairman of the Eurogroup claims that he lacks the data and means to implement monetary policies measures.

If a common military is to be assumed, it will take decades if not hundreds to create this feeling of national solidarity and belonging which allows someone from Paris to claim responsibility for something which happened in Strasbourg and vice-versa. Smoothing out the institutions and taking care of everyone's pride isn't going to be easy either.

I'm for every nation to be sovereign in their own soil with other armies putting themselves "at disposal" of the nation with a clear subordination and responsibilities established for military operations.

The same goes for diplomacy and civil response (as said). Solidarity is very important, but the technical problems of responsibilities, chains of command, and national context will not magically go away.

We've had centuries to build a relationship with Occitanie. The overwhelming majority of Frenchmen feel responsible for helping the South if something happened and there are clear structures and protocols for that. No such thing exists (yet) at the European level.

A centralised governement without a national feeling of solidarity and belonging will just mean people won't care about it.

What are you even talking about, Austria-Hungary was built on the shoulders of an expansionist empire that held no regard for the minorities it came to encompass.
The EU is a common agreement between nations where members joined willingly and can leave whenever they wish.

Why don't you just unite with Germany instead and de-facto lead the EU? There's no point in the existence of Austria.

I would unite Austria and Bavaria

EVROPA

I'm talking about two multinational entities united in a real, but abstract feeling of belonging to something common (there is multiple evidence of the majority of the Czech, for instance, political class being happy with belonging to the Empire), but without any clear structure for responsibility and no organic solidarity between the people

A military, especially in the modern age, is the expression of the nation's solidarity and feeling of belonging (77% of Frenchmen, for instance, trust the Army, but less than 40% trust politicians). You can't create this feeling of belonging on paper without centuries of shared existence. A guy from Britanny will have no problem serving in the Army to defend Alsace because he probably went there for a holiday, has family from here, learnt about great French people from Alsace, etc, etc.

A European army would only make sense if Europeans coexisted together and felt this solidarity for a long while. This is different from just saying "woah I like the UK they're such a great country", it's feeling like a war (economic war, real war, political rivalries, etc, etc) between London and Paris is as absurd as a war between Lille and Paris (to quote Victor Hugo). You can't just write that on a paper and say it be so.

You would also have to deal with command structures, inter-service rivalries, and denial of responsibilities like in any national army times 27. It's not possible.

Let nations be sovereign and let them help each other. France offering help to Greece/Britain/whatever as a nation is much stronger to build solidarity and a real Europe than French or British soldiers being in an anonymous global institution and working side by side. (additionally, it never works, see how long it took FRONTEX to help Greece with their borders and they did it only after Brexit).

Fairly sure some obscure WW2 related article in their constitutions forbids it.