I think overall their influence is a net positive, it's better then the IMF, in my opinion and it's better than funding millions of dollars in 'aid' that goes to the corrupt governments in africa.
The Chinese are currently investing in Ethiopian startups and some Chinese businessmen have hope for the continent.
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Luis Evans
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Logan Diaz
>ZHANGGGGGGGGGGGGG
maybe it's because China wants friends
Isaac Gonzalez
China has been frens with Africa since the 1960s
Cooper Cruz
>it's better than funding millions of dollars in 'aid' that goes to the corrupt governments in africa.
yet its exactly what they are doing, they also push broke states to give them all of their infrastructure while replacing their workforce and subverting their governments
you should know it zhang
Logan Perez
>China bad
they have contributed a lot towards Africa
Justin Brooks
Same in the Carribbean, better than the US and Europe but still gyping the local populace. At least they get shit built though.
James Johnson
>they have contributed a lot towards Africa
Nicholas Ward
hello? based
Isaac Gonzalez
>they have contributed a lot toward africa
yeah they contributed to fuck up the continent economically, environmentaly and demographically
Juan Mitchell
some chinks are racists, not all of them are
Robert Lewis
believe whatever you want
Kevin King
Yes
Oliver Parker
deny as much as you want debt trap diplomacy is real
also lmao at these pics
>wow a dam bult by china to provide chinese infrastructures electricity while fucking up an entire ecosystem
Sebastian Moore
When will all railways in the world look like Chinese ones?
Liam Myers
Niggers can't build countries themselves and you know that
China taking over is good for them, maybe they will leave poverty and contribute something to the world
Noah Wood
>Niggers can't build countries themselves and you know that
indeed. the only reasonable answer was to decrease their population and return the country to tribal states, proper countries cannot work without european control
>China taking over is good for them, maybe they will leave poverty and contribute something to the world
nah its the opposite, it makes their population increase, fucks up their country even more.
the only way i see of solving the investment shit is to have a limited amount of percentage per country
Lucas Sanchez
>Niger dam
wow racist much?
Gavin Roberts
>NOOOOOOO Africa can't prosper Europe and North America may have destroyed most of their nature with Europe only having cities and farms but no-one else is allowed to modernise because they'll harm the environment and ruin the environment who cares about the people everyone outside of Europe should just be wilderness to entertain me and house cuterino animal eco systems and the actual people living there need to suffer and die so I can see the funny creatures in nature
Ayden Martin
>Niggers can't build countries themselves and you know that
>China taking over is good for them, maybe they will leave poverty and contribute something to the world
Botswana was a shithole when the Brits left, it was one of the poorest countries in the world, with your average person living on $60 a year
It didn't even have a capital city
Now it's a functioning democracy, and is on par with eastern European countries
Jack Miller
>NOOOOOOO Africa can't prosper
chinese investment is the opposing of prospering
>Europe and North America may have destroyed most of their nature with Europe only having cities and farms but no-one else is allowed to modernise because they'll harm the environment and ruin the environment
>most devlopped countries on earth have a 70 percent forest cover
also
>laughs in scandinavia
>laughs in balkans
>laughs in alps
>who cares about the people everyone outside of Europe should just be wilderness to entertain me and house cuterino animal eco systems and the actual people living there need to suffer and die so I can see the funny creatures in nature
nice strawman
environmental protection + low population = development
Jayden Murphy
The infrastructure investments are good for sure, but what user said about debt traps is also true. China is angling to get more than they put in, but it does seem better than what the imf has been doing so i welcome it cautiously
Asher Peterson
>indeed. the only reasonable answer was to decrease their population and return the country to tribal states, proper countries cannot work without european control
Too late for that, the damage has already been done
>China taking over is good for them, maybe they will leave poverty and contribute something to the world
>nah its the opposite, it makes their population increase, fucks up their country even more.
Wrong, Africa's fertility rate has been dropping since the 1960's as the continent gets more developed.
Jaxon White
I think Africa would be better to live in than eastern Europe to be fair, slav lands are like the worst of Africa with eviler more violent people in a frozen shithole with the climate of the south pole where slavs literally never interact with one another unless they're raping and murdering eachother out of the blue which is the reason they can't make small talk or are afraid of people approaching them it's basically joburg on an icecube
Charles Anderson
One relatively wealthy country with an absolute fuckton of diamonds and other minerals doesn't excuse the rest of the continent being dirt poor, despite all their resources. Some of them are even poorer than in the 60's, like Burundi or DR Congo
Robert Young
>One relatively wealthy country with an absolute fuckton of diamonds and other minerals doesn't excuse the rest of the continent being dirt poor, despite all their resources. Some of them are even poorer than in the 60's, like Burundi or DR Congo
The DRC, got fucked after the Congo wars (practically Africa's world war) and got shanked on all sides.
Then Kabila came.
Though it's getting better.
>excuse the rest of the continent being dirt poor,
Namibia, is fine and South africa(though SA is violent even for africa)
Most of the continent is richer than what it was in the past under colonial rule.
Also most of these countries have only been countries for around 60 years, do you expect them to be 1st world overnight.
It took america well over 100+ years to become a powerhouse.
John Bailey
Ironic how Chinese neighbors hates China. Like vietnam prefer us over china even tho we started war against them. Same shit to korea and japan. Mongolia prob have resentment
Carter Fisher
>google debt trap diplomacy
>Africa is in $30B debt to China
Is this supposed to be significant? US owes $1.2B debt in comparison. All the schools, hospitals, railways, dams, etc are worth more than $30B.
Oliver Morgan
>yet its exactly what they are doing, they also push broke states to give them all of their infrastructure
The govs chooses to do it, it's either China or IMF debt
> while replacing their workforce
The chinks aren't replacing the native population
Who would want to colonise a disease ridden land
> and subverting their governments
They were subverted in the 1960-1970's during the cold war, by the soviets and the USA.
You should know that by now
>you should know it zhang
You should know it too Ivan.
Liam Scott
chinks control africa
which in turns means they control WHO since how the voting works
Xavier Baker
Meh
Racism happens all the time in aid work and is a very old thing
Wyatt Martin
Just because the IMF sucks doesnt mean China is good. All foreign actors in Africa are there merely to benefit themselves first and Africans secondly
Kevin Parker
>chinks control africa
Not fully yet
>“They want us to give them a guarantee of 33 years and a lease of 99 years, and we should not question whoever comes to invest there once the port is operational,” said Mr Magufuli. “They want to take the land as their own but we have to compensate them for drilling construction of that port.”
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>which in turns means they control WHO since how the voting works
At the time being yea, unless the west tries to buy out African countries, but I don't think they can do that anymore.
It's not 1800-1950's anymore.
Robert Butler
Isn’t Rwanda doing well under Kagame?
Robert Brown
>Just because the IMF sucks doesnt mean China is good.
I know, but at the moment it's better than most of the alternatives.
The Chinese basically want to dominate Africa, as well as develop it so it's like a Chinese vassal state, with countries alligned with the party in terms of geopolitics, expect with no Chinese people in this land.
The CCP knows Africa is the next big money maker as it's starting to actually develop and are making and sponsoring many African countries and corporations.
I don't think Africa will become as censored as China, but it will (and Latin America) will be aligned with china, on geopolitical issues.
This is China's way of becoming a world power.
Getting trust from underdeveloped countries.
The new 'cold war' will probably be just both powers the west and China trying to buy the third world's loyalty.
>All foreign actors in Africa are there merely to benefit themselves first and Africans secondly
Most African leaders don't care about Africa only their pokets.
Africa's only choice is the IMF and China.
And they are going with china.
Jose Martin
>Isn’t Rwanda doing well under Kagame?
Yes, and he is trying to develop the country considerably so (even though it's quite poor compared to other African countries and it had no recourses), he is currently developing the poorer rural areas in the country with modern houses.
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Considering his country was a poor shitty war torn shit-hole 20 years ago and is now a tourist destination he is doing an extremely good job.
Though Rwanda is still quite poor it's incredibly safe, it has a lower homicide rate than the USA and India.
He is one of the best African leaders (even though he is a dictator and most dictators in africa are utterly shitty) to be honest
All he needs is a successor.
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Nathaniel Gomez
>environmental protection + low population = development
This is what most countries should be like desu, or at least in africa, India, Japan, China and most of SEA countries.
Would be 100* better on that alone.
Brandon Jenkins
>forcing africans to speak chinese
>infrastructure in africa is built by chinese workers
>chinese spy equipment installed in government buildings
>african animals hunted by chinese to near extinction
>forests wiped out
>dept trapping african nations to the point where they have to sell their ports and have a chinese military base installed on it
thatd be a no you freakin chink
William Roberts
>forcing africans to speak chinese
Not happening unless you think that 1 twitter video is reality.
Also didn't grace force West Africa to speak French?
>infrastructure in africa is built by chinese workers
The biggest problem is weather or not it will even work considering Chinese material and buildings usually fall apart.
>chinese spy equipment installed in government buildings
This is bad, but not as bad as USA (freedom) backed assassinations that end up fucking African countries so fucking hard.
>>african animals hunted by chinese to near extinction
Eh
>forests wiped out
Debatable, but bad none the less
>dept trapping african nations to the point where they have to sell their ports
Either this or the IMF
>and have a chinese military base installed on it
Is it better having USA army bases stationed there.
Evan Cooper
Chine is improving the quality of life in many African countries so they don't need to migrate to Europe. I'd say that's a pretty good thing, doncha think?
Dylan Scott
>Grace
France lol
Wyatt Robinson
>Chine is improving the quality of life in many African countries so they don't need to migrate to Europe. I'd say that's a pretty good thing, doncha think?
I guess, though most African migrants move to other African countries like south Africa, not Europe. (2 million migrants are in south Africa)
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Lucas Taylor
Niger is based
Cool
Wyatt Sullivan
China is doing shady shit, but so has everyone else involved in Africa, always. As far as I can tell, they're partically trying to turn Africa into China 2, so they have somewhere to produce cheap shit when China's middle class grows too big and rich to be exploited like they used to. I hope it helps African countries that need help become a series of miniature China's that eventually grow their own large middle classes and become stable well functioning countries that people don't have to flee from. I'm curious to see how the world economy will handle the whole world becoming developed, and if such a thing is even possible without something breaking somewhere and ruining everything.
Ian Powell
>When will all railways in the world look like Chinese ones?
When China buys the world
>>they have contributed a lot toward africa
>yeah they contributed to fuck up the continent economically, environmentaly and demographically
They are just doing what the Europeans did
This time it's with consent and is a bit better, a bit
>some chinks are racists, not all of them are
It's the same thing everywhere some people are racist but most people aren't, even in africa
James Price
My dad went there a few years ago, some black dude said they'd rather keep their whites around since nobody else bothers with accounting and they don't want to be like Zimbabwe.
Landon Ross
>I hope it helps African countries that need help become a series of miniature China's that eventually grow their own large middle classes and become stable well functioning countries that people don't have to flee from. I'm curious to see how the world economy will handle the whole world becoming developed, and if such a thing is even possible without something breaking somewhere and ruining everything.
The war torn middle East shit-holes will become the new sources of exploitation
That or the world will become Uber efficient.
Anthony Evans
>My dad went there a few years ago, some black dude said they'd rather keep their whites around since nobody else bothers with accounting and they don't want to be like Zimbabwe.
lol
Josiah Wood
Final bump
David Brown
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A DARK SENSE OF HUMOUR THINK ABOUT THE HOOTIN TOOTIN HECKING LIL NIGGERINOOOS
Ryder Rivera
>it has a lower homicide rate than the USA
remove blacks from the USA and it has a really low homicide rate
Liam Perry
The WHO are already cowardly Chinese cocksuckers denying the fact the virus spread to the rest of the planet because of Chinese incompetency.
James Davis
What exactly is the issue here?
Daniel Edwards
lol
Africans make fun of chinks in China and the USA
Chinks make fun of Africans in africa
The cycle of mockery
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Christian Stewart
Asians hates darker skin people, it's common knowledge.
Austin Cook
That's why they try to bleach themselves
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Camden Moore
Even Japan is trying to get in on it.
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Dominic Ortiz
I have a going theory that when white countries stop being white, white people will persist as genetically altered Asians.
Luke Hughes
It's all geopolitical 5D chess
Mason Lewis
WHO are corrupt and part of the problem.
Juan Baker
rare
Zachary Green
Extremely rare
Tru
So is Russia and the USA
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I don't think it's necessarily bad, and could be good if African countries actually try to negotiate well, but because they are corrupt and don't really give a shit most of them will do nothing.
Jack Jackson
Go away Zhang
Joshua Stewart
You deserve it invasive nigger
Austin Campbell
The Chinese aren't great but they are better than merica and assassinating leaders in the name of democracy and rare resources like oil and cobalt