Why do foreigners struggle so much with the difference between England, Britain and the UK? I can understand if you get confused with the channel islands but the basics really are quite simple.
The most annoying thing that I always see is when people refer to 'Scots' and 'Brits' as 2 separate groups.
Even if Scotland becomes independent from the UK then they will ALWAYS be British regardless.
I don't really care
you're just stupid
if you don't care about the pedantics of geography then why the fuck are you on this board?
By the way, 'British Islands' in this image basically means crown protectorates.
Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man aren't part of the UK but they are still under the rule of the British monarchy
simple af
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>omg his post number ended in 2 repeating digits just like 10% of all posts ever made
cringe level off the charts
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imagine if i started referring to the whole of the USA as new york
based 2nd greatest ally (i love norway but portugal is still #1 i'm afraid)
I'm bored.
You can't even capitalise sentences properly and you are also British.
>You can't even capitalise sentences properly and you are also British.
if you paid attention to this board then you would know that a lot of british posters exclusively type in lower case, just take a look at the /brit/ thread
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ummm no mate, i am english not scottish
but we are still great allies and thank you for the christmas trees :)
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the English themselves use the terms interchangeably
I'm Welsh and say Britain whether I mean the island or the country. I'd describe myself as Welsh and British.
we sometimes use the term English and British interchangeably hehe
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whoops, I just assumed kek
doesn't change anything though
>the English themselves use the terms interchangeably
no we don't you idiot
>we sometimes use the term English and British interchangeably hehe
this is what pisses me off, us northern english people were fucked over too but you include us in your seethe
you need to direct your hate at london/westminster/the south east/the ruling class
you're english therefore an oppressor
Nobody cares. Besides scotland, wales and northern Ireland are pretty irrelevant, stuck under the english boot. If the uk does something its the english doing it, the rest is just along for the ride and looked down upon by the english. The scots were against brexit yet they are out aswell.
(Great) Britain is a vastly preferable term to the godawful "YooKay".
But it seems a lot of countries either say some translation of England or United Kingdom. Germans sometimes say Grossbritannien, but that's about it sadly.
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no we're not
northern englishman are victims of the evil london ruling class just like ireland, scotland and wales
UK (with its countries), Ireland (state) are valid, legal terms.
And geographically, also Ireland (island) and Great Britain, along with Man, Guernsey and Jersey, are proper terms with clear meaning, as those are islands.
But shit like "British Islands" and "British Isles" is beyond retarded. Legally they mean fuckall, culturally even less, and geographically they don't make sense either. Look at "British Islands" for instance, half of Ireland is its own island? What kind of autism is this?
>If the uk does something its the english doing it,
if you are going to specify it like that then you should specify it to london as above
if anything northern england has it the worst
scotland, wales and northern ireland all have devolved parliaments to varying extents but northern england has nothing and is still getting fucked over by london scum
>you need to direct your hate at london/westminster/the south east/the ruling class
that's already done but I also think you overestimate how much anybody here cares
Who cares, your entire country is backwards and has language which is used to mislead. Public schools are private, fags are cigarettes, and so on.
Your geography is misleading as well. All these parts which are basically offshores but technically are not actual part of Britain. And all of that you have been using for quite sometime to mess with normal people, aka Europeans
>scotland, wales and northern ireland all have devolved parliaments to varying extents but northern england has nothing and is still getting fucked over by london scum
That's true but still it's same old ruling class vs underclasses. Scotland has representation because they sacrificed their nation's freedom for it. Northern english are still english, I'm not sure what they can demand. Unless they develop strong regional identity and demand representation under threat of independence.
meant for yeah they mean nothing legally but
>geographically they don't make sense either
are you fucking stupid?
do you not think there should be a term for the UK and Ireland overall?
>half of Ireland is its own island?
ummm no that is not what the image says at all you retard but also refer to this post It would make more sense if 'British Islands' was renamed to 'Crown Protectorates' as Northern Ireland isn't an island
Correct.
I only care bout independent countries
>that's already done
it's not though, you direct your hate at our entire country like us working class northerners are complicit and support what the political class did to ireland (which we don't)
England isn't an independent country
it is, depending on who you're talking to and most people really don't care
don't forget that the scottish parliament has devolved powers for education, transport, housing and many more things
but scottish MPs are still allowed to vote on these issues in westminster even though it only applies to England and Wales in most circumstances
it makes no sense whatsoever, scottish MPs should sit out for those issues that don't involve them
>It would make more sense if 'British Islands' was renamed to 'Crown Protectorates' as Northern Ireland isn't an island
That's my point, and why the term is retarded as it stands now. Isles and Islands are synonyms (actually tautonyms) but here "British Isles" and "British Islands" are used for different things. And the "British Islands" even refers to an entity which is not an island. You got to find better terms.
>do you not think there should be a term for the UK and Ireland overall?
Maybe. But it's not a necessity. Is there a term for Italy and Malta? France and Monaco? Greece and Cyprus? Norway and Iceland?
Do you mean by foreigners, sharts?
>"British Isles" and "British Islands" are used for different things
British Isles means the group of islands where the island of Britain is the largest one, most island groups are named after the largest island, the difference with "British islands" is that they are under the rule of the British crown although you're right it should have been worded differently
>But it's not a necessity. Is there a term for Italy and Malta? France and Monaco? Greece and Cyprus? Norway and Iceland?
but with this you are being completely retarded
Ireland may be an independent country but there is an undeniable shared culture across Britain and Ireland which is unique to us and separates us from the continent, even the most staunch Irish nationalist could not deny this
politically, Ireland may feel like they are closer to continental countries than the UK but on a cultural level, Britain and Ireland share so much culturally which is not found in continental countries
don't be daft, this really is quite simple and plain to see
>one island
>one monarch
>one government
>one country
>all the important shit is in London
Also you never hear shit about what Welsh or Scottish people do other than when they wore skirts and fought the English in Braveheart. There's already 100s of actual countries to remember, nobody gives a shit about internal minutiae of countries that decide to be pointlessly complicated.
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Secede. We will live to see a world with Scotland, Wales, North England and South England.
>>all the important shit is in London
that's the problem with this country
the only way we have a future is to stop putting all of our eggs in one basket and to build the northern powerhouse and the midlands engine
scotland maybe but it would literally be impossible for wales to survive as an independent country (and there is no serious independence movement there, they are happy as it currently is)
They are just stupid, it isn't hard at all
Unironically if you read any newspaper from any country a hundred years ago, not a single one will refer to it as the "UK" or even "Britain", it's just England. That's what it will always be, butthurt Scots aside.
>Ireland may be an independent country but there is an undeniable shared culture across Britain and Ireland which is unique to us and separates us from the continent, even the most staunch Irish nationalist could not deny this
yeah but we just say variations of "Britain & Ireland" regardless, didn't even know "British Isles" was a term with any currency outside a geographic context until I browsed Yas Forums
bullshit
wales could survive. it would be about as rich as the czech republic. but why should the oldest part of britain separate from britain?
then what do irish people say because surely there must be situations when you need to describe the island group of britain and ireland as one?
i've heard about IONA (isles of the north atlantic) but i don't think this is ever seriously used
no they couldn't, they're not diversified enough
they have never been independent and the entire setup of wales is based on being a part of the greater UK
It's fucking true, French newspapers in WWI never talked about the Royaume-Uni, they talked about Angleterre. German newspapers never referred to a "Vereinigtes Königreich", just England. Same with American newspapers. England is 2/3 of the landmass of the UK, and 83% of its population. 9 of the 10 largest cities in the UK are all in England, as well as the large majority of its economic activity.
north england and south england aren't separate countries
i don't know why the english act like england is the only country to have internal differences
A lot of people also call the Netherlands "Holland" and called the Soviet Union "Russia". Doesn't make them right.
>isles
>islands
Die in a fire.
>they have never been independent
so? nor was Ireland until 1922 or Slovenia until 1991.
>then what do irish people say because surely there must be situations when you need to describe the island group of britain and ireland as one?
Most of would just say "Britain and Ireland". Needing to be more specific isn't exactly a common occurrence.
It's perfectly legitimate to refer to a country by a technical subdivision if that subdivision is far and away larger and more influential than all other subdivisions put together like Russia was in the USSR.
>nor was Ireland until 1922
ireland was arguably independent before the viking/norman/english invasions although the concept of nation states wasn't really a thing back then
anyhow ireland is it's own ireland so it makes sense for them to be an independent country >Slovenia
a non country that was farted into existence less than 30 years ago
>Most of would just say "Britain and Ireland". Needing to be more specific isn't exactly a common occurrence
ok fair enough mate, i support (unified) irish independence but even then, surely you can agree that in certain situations, it is relevant to refer to britain and ireland as one thing because of all of our shared culture that isn't found elsewhere
and you should agree that the dutch poster is retarded for comparing our relationship to "Italy and Malta? France and Monaco? Greece and Cyprus? Norway and Iceland?"
if you don't agree then you are completely delusional
Okay New England + NYC + California + Texas
That's not a single legal subdivision you fucking tard. If California was bigger and more populous than every other state put together it would be perfectly legitimate to call this country California.
It's relevant to say there is a shared culture between Britain and Ireland, but in general we perceive as being "close" but not the same thing as us. That's just how it is.
Okay Continental US
I thought Guernsey, Isle of Man and Jersey were part of the UK?
not saying we are exactly the same thing but we pretty much come under the same cultural umbrella
and don't forget that the cultural colonisation works both ways, and i say this as a man with irish family, most of my mates also have an irish grandparent at least
there has also been a massive irish influence on the english working class from the huge amount of irish immigrants