Do you think Riddler should be officially retired and all future incarnations of him should just be Detective Nigma...

I really liked the Justice league Action that had him be detective and find the Joker.

But Nygma doesn't solve problems. He creates problems. That's his entire shtick.

He's the "Riddler", not the fucking "Resolver".

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The PI angle was a good progression but angling him towards being a hero was too much. They should have kept him amoral, working as an investigator for good and bad like a paparazzo.

Could have him do the old Green Hornet approach where he hires out his skills but make it more of a case by case basis whether helps the bad or screws with them.

He does work best as a P.I. or a reformed villain.
He's not quite as smart as Batman, and his attitude will stop him from becoming a real success.
But his pension to get himself knee-deep in shit will make for tons of fun stories.

>Do you think Riddler should be officially retired and all future incarnations of him should just be Detective Nigma, an ex-villain who is now a detective?
You mean like this?

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I think any villain that isn't an irredeemable arch-villain (Joker), should eventually be either rehabilitated into being neutral or heroic over time to at least give the impression the hero is having some sort of effect on them. I understand the need to have a rogue's gallery, but it kind of makes it seem that nothing the hero does matters.

Yes because it wouldn't be only good for riddler character development, but for Bruce too. Years of people shitting on him for not killing his criminals finally pays back with one of them getting rehabilitated, and with really good results because Riddler it's a pretty good adition for the good guys.

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It would make more sense if he were recruited by someone like Checkmate for counter-intel.

Yes, but instead of being just one version of the character it becomes the definitive version. Kind of like how Harley Quinn has slowly shifted away from being Joker's girlfriend to independent villain with a bad ex-boyfriend as the go-to version of the character.

I don't think he's as fun as a heroic character. It removes a lot of his charm.

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As long as he eventually goes back to being a villain, we need to mantain the status quo to sell more comics

;D

I've actually liked it the times that they've done this. He was good as an egotistical detective with former connection in the underworld.

But when they snap him back to villain its so sudden it gives you whiplash, and it always comes across as extremely stupid and badly written.

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and i mean the written on making him bad again is badly written as well as the stories they made him bad again so he could participate were badly written too.

I think it actually works as part of an origin story. Nigma's an up-and-coming brilliant detective who is trying to solve a murder, but is led down rabbit holes and dead-ends that put him to his limit. The story would end with Nigma cracking the case and taking it to Gordon, only to barge into his office to see Batman holding the beaten-up suspect, having already figured it out a while ago thanks to Bat-fuckery. This causes him to snap, and quits the force, taking on the Riddler persona.

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That makes me wonder, how was the Riddler in the Gotham TV series?
I know he was in the police force on that, but i never made it far enough into the series for them to do anything with him.

I never actually watched it. Live-action TV cape shows are garbage, but that's only my opinion.

Fan reaction was divisive. I think the actor captured his anger, dash of sarcasm and narcisscism well enough that I enjoyed it. I know some people here didn't like that Penguin developed a crush on him because Riddler was the only person to show him a hint of companionship and it turned into a psycho stalker scenario, but the character himself was pretty Riddler-ish.

Certainly not as good as B:TAS or the Arkham games and he's much dorkier compared to Frank Gorshin's, but I still enjoyed all the scenes with him.

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Sure. I liked him in Dini's run in that role, and War of Jokes and Riddles sure as hell hasn't helped him be taken more seriously.

Dini's Riddler is one of four writers who ever did good shit with him.