Why do people call Superheroes fascist?

Why do people call Superheroes fascist?
Is it because Alan Moore said so?
Or,Are Superheroes are truly fascist in nature?

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They are literal Übermenschen. Moore has a point.

Why do you keep spamming this topic?
Nietzsche was not a fascist

People think he's one because he elaborates and sympathizes with the concepts he finds deplorable. They credit him for nihilism, when he was speaking out AGAINST it.

Being superior has nothing to do with their morality.

People like to say what "authority" people say.
Since Moore is acclaimed as a good writer and portreat as a philosophical person, people will flock to his idea.

That is wrong. Übermenschen are not fascist.
Fascists like some version of Übermenschen, but they also like animals and cars. But noone would say people who like cars or animals are fascist

They are icons of mass adoration
They solve their problems through action
They celebrate physical and natural health
They defend public order
Their enemies are people, not things or concepts

If good always triumphs, that means evil always loses.
This means those who always lose are evil, and those who always win are ultimately good.
Strength means good, and weakness means evil.
The only reason "love" and "weakness" can be good is through them having a hidden gigantic strength that makes them overpower hate and power

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Moore is a commie, he thinks everything is fascist.

they arent, its just that moore is an anarchist, and any form of government is fascist in his definition, people tend to agree because the man is incredibly smart, after all, he wrote watchmen
First half is wrong, second half is sorta correct

Isn't authoritarianism akin to fascism?
People treat Superheroes as fascist because some People said so.
Isn't it authoritarianism?

There were no Fascists until the 1920s, about 20 years after he died, so it would have been difficult for him to be one.

However his writings certainly influenced fascism, the Fascists in Italy for whom the concept is named, and other fascistic states and creeds which rose to prominence around the post-WWI period.

Superheroes should be fascist because Moore said so?
Isn't it authoritarianism or even fascism?

Because they're a power fantasy, placing ultimate power of justice in a single individual.

Say you get picked up by Superman. You're robbing a store; you run outside and Superman picks you up and deposits you at the police station. What happens next?

In a comic book, the cops come out and arrest you because Superman denounced you to them and that makes you guilty.

In real life, Superman can't prove you did anything. At the point at which he's brought you to the cops, there's basically nothing to tie you to the robbery, assuming any robbery has even been reported by that stage (and if it hasn't, but is only reported *after* you're arrested... that's not going to go down well in court, because it looks like the cops/Superman conspired to make it up).

At that stage, he's taken you from the crime scene (so there's no immediate evidence that you were there); he's had custody over you for a period of time in which he could have planted evidence on you; he's picked you up *because you ran out of a store which was being robbed*, but that doesn't positively identify you as the robber (or prove that there was one; store security might just be idiots). He's publicly paraded you across town to the police station (which for someone who hasn't been properly arrested, read their Mirandas, or offered legal counsel let alone admitted anything is well outside Superman's rights) and he's dumped you there with no evidence that you did anything wrong, just his accusation. You could walk away at that point; if the cops tried to stop you, you could just calmly ask them what evidence, other than the denunciation by Superman who physically dragged you to them (which is almost certainly assault), they have. They'd probably let you go.

Superman's a time-waster. Cops get dozens of those local to any station, calling in with hot tips, demanding action. He just happens to have super-powers. Real justice takes time, evidence, and significant manpower, and it still fucks up.

>Their enemies are people, not things or concepts
What about Superman fight against the KKK? Or Captain America fighting Hydra.
And would you agree that something like Black Lanterns or Annihilation Wave is a concept and not a person?

no Im not saying that, its the reason why people believe in moores agreement, and authoritarianism is fascist in general, but for me, moore is wrong,
at best they are a power fantasy, which should never be in the real world

A hero can be any ism.
For example Crimson Dynamo is a communist hero.

The concept of people who are "born better" wasn't originated by fascism, but was certainly championed by it prominently. It's at the heart of the fascist state - only people who meet the ideals of the state are people. Everyone else isn't. Separating people into uber and unter is very much fascistic.

Stop smoking crack.

Fascism is to Authoritarianism as Terrier is to Dog. One is a subset of the other, there's no meaningful distinction for you to draw here.

Fascism is unique to its Nation and leader
Using comforting and familiar imagery

A reactionary movement against the left, a traditionalist rejection of feminism and socialism marked by scapegoating brought on by a fear of difference. Chauvanism leads the way, with disagreements being treasonous, popular elitism, contempt for the weak, the enemy being both strong and weak, everyone being educated to become a hero, an obsession with conspiracy theories, ect

Yeah,I know you don't agree with Moore.
I am refering to People's statement.
I agree Superheroes are power fantasy though, Many Superheroes always respect the freedom.
It is not what fascists do.

I mock people insisting Superhero is fascist because Moore said so.
It is nothing but authoritarianism.

Superman don't misidentify the criminals.
And,criminals in Superman are alyways caught red handed.

Realistically if someone was able to push planets and absorb the power of the sun, I'm pretty sure they'll try to "change" the world (in their own image of course).

yeah, Only elseworlds have a scenario where superheros are fashist

I agree.
But, Superheroes are not real.
Fictional Superheroes like Superman
respect humanity.
So, They are Superheroes.
"Superheroes" as asshole are not Superheroes.

Where does the Authority stand in this? Pre Millar and post Millar.

Being "real" is not what Superheroes should be.
Why do many people ignore it?
I agree if Superheroes exist in real world, they may be asshole like Superheroes in Watchmen or The Boys.
But, It doesn't mean fictional Superheroes like Superman or Flash are really asshole.
They are not selfish asshole like us.

Most faggots bring that arguement up when talking about this
a bit post millar, but there were roots of it pre millar

So,They believe altruism and selfless can't be in even fiction?
Isn't it nihilism?
"Superheroes should be asshole because there can't be altruistic,selfless behavior in real world" argument is nothing but lack of imagination, isn't it?

yeah, it started with moore, and then everyone had the idea "bro what if superheros were EVIL" it goes to the point of elitism and gate keeping, I hate to say leftist, as it also hits on right leaning groups, but both groups hate escapism.

That's National Socilaism, not Fascism.

What is so bad about escapism?
Imagining selfless/altruistic/morally beautiful person is privilege of fiction, isn't it?
If Imagining beautiful dream is bad thing, Why can we dream that we should be better person?

they see it as their ideologies being ignored

Nietzsche wasn't anything.

I know applying fictional logic into real world is bullshit though, applying real world logic into fiction is bullshit too,isn't it?
Why Superheroes must be fascist because ones with absolute power tend to be fascist in real world?
Superheroes are altruistic despite of their superpower.
Isn't it the core concept of Superhero genre?