“The Maus Fallacy” by Gary Groth (1991)

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>Whining

The funny thing to me is that I looked this guy up. I thought he was some indie dude like a 1980's Brandon Graham but nope.

Turns out he's a fucking editor of all things.

It's like having a lawyer review a painting or a secretary review an engineering project.

He's the EiC of The Comics Journal and publisher Fantagraphics, ignorant user. Your dismissive post completely misses the mark.

Groth is a pretentious twat, but he's not totally wrong.

Why is he hating on TMNT? The comics were just pure, honest fun.

But he's not a creator. He's an editor, a businessmonkey. His job isn't to create, it is to make sure there's a financial climate for actual creators to work.

He's entitled to opinions but they pretty much amount to "I don't like this thing". Other than that his opinions are no more weighty than any other non-creator.

Honestly it is more like a manager of a zoo who should analyses animal behaviour data.
He has knowledge, but you dont know if he can do everything.

you're wrong about everything you wrote kek

Seems pretty correct to me

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i get the vibe he wants comics to move just the other foot out of the pure-honest-fun-circle and in to the serious-contemplative-big-art-circle

What is

what isn't

Protip: the article you didn't read isn't a review of Maus.

>One of the many myths the mass media propagate about themselves is their love of diversity. Nothing could be futher from the truth.
>The mass media hate diversity and love sameness. The mass media are not devoted to helping individuals become well-rounded human beings; rather they are devoted to turning individuals into like-minded consumer drones.

My respect for Gary Groth just went up a couple of notches.
Hating on TMNT dropped it back down one

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>the accursed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Haha. Best line in the article.

I thought this was going to be about how the Holocaust isn't real

same

>*We* being those of us fighting for a humane culture

And there's the second best line.

Between this and his article on Eisner I'm starting to see why Dave Sim started a little feud with The Comics Journal. This man loves to hear himself talk more than actually say anything.

Mostly ignorant of it, but wasn't tmnt marketed really hard? I think I read somewhere that either laird or eastman sent out info about everywhere since one of them had a marketing background.
I thought maybe Groth didn't like that aspect, or maybe he just didn't like the turtles.

That's exactly his deal. He wants to push comics to being a respected art form, and to his credit he's been fairly successful

I didn't think this article was so bad, though the fluffier parts are silly like hte bit about those pursuing a humane culture or some crap. I can't say I necessarily equate wanting to read more heady comic material to that.
But his point about a comic getting attention independent of it's quality but because of its subject matter and it wouldn't herald some sort of golden age is reasonable and pretty much correct in hindsight
I didn't read his article about eisner though.

even when he;s right, he's wrong
fuck groth and fuck these threads
what is the purpose of them?

Why wouldn't an Editor know about comics?

I don't think you know what an editor does.

Is Gary Groth the Shredder?

Maus was good but not one of my favorite comics. Is there any non-academic that actually likes this book?
This is a comics board. This is exactly the kind of shit that should be posted and discussed all the time.

I'm talking about the way Groth writes, not the content. He can't stop sniffing his own farts while tonguing his asshole. It's maybe five paragraphs worth of content stretched the fuck out.

Every prediction he makes in this article was falsified. Interesting.

That's fair, the bit about mass media was pretty self-indulgent and the reflections on society's failings isn't really needed to get across he point that certain subject matters are news-bait