Xaviers institute has to have suicidal teens. There's no way you're going to get thrown away by your family or turn into an abomination and not get the blues. How do the telepaths react to this? Do they force the students to be happy and pluck out any suicidal thoughts that come into their heads? We know they have no problem making male students gay
Xaviers institute has to have suicidal teens...
Eli Myers
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Jaxon Moore
They get over it by remembering they HAVE FUCKING POWERS!!!
Kevin White
the telepaths make sure they have really good wet dreams once in a while and the hope of mutie tittie and pusi keeps them going
Caleb Jackson
That’s only like 2% of the mutant populace. Most mutant powers are fucking useless or have you look retarded
Ian Morris
the telepaths have mind sex with them make them happy
Brandon Gomez
Emma "I had mind sex with my patient" Frost is the school therapist.
Given the fact that she thinks "Psychic Ethics" is her ability to implant ethics into the minds of others, I think she would go with the delete suicide folder option
Jose Kelly
God, Morrison really fucked up the X-Verse.
>ynr the Austen years
Oh God...
Zachary Brown
Austen just had shitty stories, Morrison fucked the concept of the X-Men on a fundamental level that we're still dealing with 20 years later.
Dominic Cox
Yeah, fair point. But at least Morrison's run was enjoyable, if you read it as an isolated story which, sadly, it wasn't. I didn't mind the drift towards a less "showy" aproach, but Morrison fucked up in adding the "in fact most mutations are disgusting and dangerous". It has internal logic that most of them wouldn't be supermodels, but it destroys the narrative that Muties are the "next step in evolution", while giving the anti-mutant argument even more ground to stand on. I'm pretty sure Three-Faced-Johnny would rather have been Normal-Johnny, and most people would agree that Nukes-Go-Off-Everytime-He-Gets-A-Boner-Tommy, would be better off without his power... You can't have both your "we be da next step flatscan" and then fill the character pool with Fishboys.
You can make societal commentary with the Mutants, but writers have missed the mark. They're not good analogues for "minorities", homos or whatever else. They work far better as exceptional beings being hated by a mediocre populace, and the drift that exists between two factions; those who work to better the world around them with their gifts and uplift their neighbors, and those who stroke their own egos and want to drown the plebs. It makes far more sense and actually has the potential for a lot of stories past the recycled nonsense. But Claremont added that angle in the 70s, Morrison doubled down on his weird fetish in the 00s, and the brand is creatively dead.
Nathan Garcia
The problem with the latter approach is that it basically ingrains elitism as the core aspect of mutants. If anything, they need two core aspects to avoid it looking like "evolved ubermensch gracefully endures disdain from plebs," one is that mutants do not breed true - two mutants have the same chance of having a mutant kid as two non-mutants, and the second is that mutants have interpersonal and cultural connections outside other mutants.
Isaac Wilson
>two mutants have the same chance of having a mutant kid as two non-mutants
it used to be that way but around the 00's that was kind of done away with (though to be fair I think it was to explain all the summers-grey kids being mutants)
Jeremiah Jackson
The problem is that there is only 1 mainline canon Summers-Grey kid, Nathan. Rachel is from an alt-timeline where Nathan never existed, and Nate is an alt-universe version of Nathan. Beyond those you had Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Nightcrawler, Siryn, Luna, and Graydon Creed as the only other major examples of mutant parentage.
Joseph Carter
>The problem with the latter approach is that it basically ingrains elitism as the core aspect of mutants.
Well, you can't. Either they're genetically superior people, or they're failed monsters with no evolutionary purposeL; you can't have it both ways. Things being as they are now, you'e got, what?
>dude, mutants are just like homos and niggers
>but they're also extremely dangerous, ugly and sometimes super-models
>and people hate them because they're afraid that their kid will look like a shark or burn down the neighborhood when it sneezes, which are totally irrational and they're basically Nazis
>and uh, like, the good mutants want to be accepted by the people and the bad mutants, who are justified cuz flatscans are evil, wanna kill them all, and it's an allegory for niggers wanting repa-ray-shunz
>and somehow guy-with-a-fish-for-a-head and gal-with-a-mouth-in-her-anus are the next step in human evolution
It doesn't work anyway you slash it. The only way to salvage the core concept, would be to have all mutants be "above" regular humans. All of them would have useful abilities, destructive and not. All of them would live longer, they would truly be Homo Superior. And the clash would still be an ideological one. Magneto's band would just go full-on Supremacism, while Xavier's would try to find the common ground and uplift the people around them. The average human disliking them because they're literal demigods makes sense. You can have nuance in all the fractions without resorting to strawmaning.
That'd be an interesting concept with some good commentary. Instead we're stuck with the nonsense that is Eye-Boy...
Jackson Ross
>The average human disliking them because they're literal demigods makes sense.
Find fucking powercreeping fag.
Thomas Cox
Greta argument there user, you've changed my mind... Achilles was a demigod you faggot, he wasn't warping reality. You missed the point and just went "hurdur powarz".
Chase Collins
At that point you're pretty much not talking about mutants in any recognizable form. Also you've still got to deal with the fact that most mutant heroes and villains can be merc'd by a guy with a gun or that basic technological progression elevates humans while devaluing mutants. Look at Cypher, they've had to powercreep him because his superpower is now duplicated by anything capable of accessing Google.
Carson Kelly
Dilate.
Logan Sanders
Archiles was killed by an ordinary man, while Marvel shows X men as invincible and able to withstand the whole planet. This is super retarded.
Noah Torres
I'm not the guy you're arguing with but Paris was only able to kill him because Aphrodite guided the arrow.
Evan Diaz
Cyclops is alive only because plotarmor. Like Wolverine or Magneto, the authors literally show people as imbeciles who are unable to shoot quickly and accurately or use the right materials. All you need to kill Magneto is a polycarbonate crossbow and arrows. So to raise them to the level of demigods you need to seriously increase their power.
Benjamin Ramirez
Aphrodite showed where the weak point is, she did't help with the shot.
Colton Sullivan
I don't see how I'm turning the mutants unrecognizable. I'm simply focusing on the aspect of them that I think works better with the core concept. Calremont completely revitalized the IP, Morrison went even further, but just because you're acustomed to them, you cannot see other POVs.
...What does that have to do with anything? Not all Mutants are Omegas.
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Why are you people missing the point this badly? Why are you taking the demigod comparison to mean that they're all Goku and Superman? I'm talking about the idea of Mutants being akin to Celebrities, National Heroes, Great Scientists & Artists, and the adoration, worship, hatred, envy and so on and so forth, that comes with that. A supermodel who can move things with his mind is not a proper allegory for some ghetto gangbanger. But presenting him as Marlon Brando, Audie Murphy and Tesla rolled into one, works. He will be adored, hated, wroshipped, everything. Some will want to destroy him and others will want to turn into him. And then that special person has to decide whether to abandon the "lesser people" or try to elevate them. You can touch on whether being someone like Sabretooth, who's a genetically superior hunter, makes you more evolved than a human who's incredibly smart. Does that count as a "Mutation" too? Where is the line drawn?
That's interesting social and philosophical commentary. That's the IP used to its potential. It's not Glob or the cartoonishly evil Friends Of Humanity.
Blake Smith
I looked it up and I was mistaken: it was Apollo who guided the arrow. But Paris didn't do it himself. From Hector's death speech in the Iliad:
>But the gods will not forget this,
>And I will have my vengeance on that day
>When Paris and Apollo destroy you
>In the long shadow of Troy's Western Gate.
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Jack Ortiz
>Why are you people missing the point this badly?
Nobody misses the point, you want to raise mutants over people. This can only work if ALL mutants raise their power levels.
Ethan Johnson
>Do they force the students to be happy and pluck out any suicidal thoughts that come into their heads?
It'd take barely even a moment to do this, so probably.
Robert Moore
>When Paris and Apollo destroy you
>Paris
>Paris, supported by Greek god Apollo
>supported
All points to the fact that Paris did the job, not Apollo.
Cameron Reyes
>one is that mutants do not breed true - two mutants have the same chance of having a mutant kid as two non-mutants, and the second is that mutants have interpersonal and cultural connections outside other mutants.
This isn’t correct anymore. HoX confirmed eugenics works for mutants.
Jason Morales
I'm not going to keep arguing this with you. Apollo guided the fucking arrow into Achilles' heel. Deal with it.
Juan Bailey
>still missing the point
It's not about power-levels, you mongoloid. How can you be this thick? Literally, how? Was Tesla shooting electricity out his fingers? Was Jefferson 8 ft tall with laser eyes? Can you not understand how comparisons work?
Michael Wood
No, it's you mongoloid who don't understand concepts like logic and consequences. In order for your concept to work you need to raise the power level of mutie, deal with it.
Sebastian Murphy
Well, I hope this is just poor b8 and you're not actually this retarded. It's sad, really.
Brayden Rivera
>guided
It is not controlled, to say that Paris did't the job it same as to say that it was not the racer who won the race because he was instructed by the coach.