Do you think the demand for lore based cartoons is damaging the industry? I think animation should be based purely on visual storytelling and not writing. Something like Looney Tunes is ideal: no complex plot, just fun little stories that are carried by great animation. But cartoons seem to lean more and more on lore and storytelling, which is sad.
Do you think the demand for lore based cartoons is damaging the industry...
Alexander Hughes
Jordan Cox
There is no "demand" for shows with continuity except from fringe and cringe nerds. It's why Teen Titans Go, SpongeBob and Family Guy are the only cartoons that get passable viewership
And those don't even have good animation.
Bentley Brooks
>There is only one way to correctly tell an animated story
>Because I said so
>People will believe me if I make up statistics about success and ignore successes I don't like
Asking for lore and worldbuilding from say, Hazbin or DuckTales is kinda stupid tho.
Samuel Cook
Well, cartoons are not a genre by itself they are medium. If you want simple slapstick you watch Looney tunes, you want something with complex lore then you watch something else. But saying that Cartoons should be like this or that is ridiculous and naive.
Nolan Gomez
Nu-Spongebob unironically has some of the best animation for any animated television show currently airing, even if it pales in comparison to the animation of its early seasons.
Eli Peterson
> I think animation should be based purely on visual storytelling and not writing.
That sounds more expensive
better to just have quirky idiots spouting tired catchphrases and being awkward
that's what these internet kids relate to more, anyway
Lucas Russell
Yeah but what's the point of making something animated if you're just going to show talking heads with boring storyboarding? Not counting something like South Park which has a reason to be animated despite looking like shit, because it's something that would be crude and unentertaining if it was live action and it's part of the MTV cartoon boom.
If I wanted exposition and lore I'd read a book or play D&D. Kids read too few books these days anyway. To be honest video games have the same problem, too much uninteresting lore shit.
Ryan Jackson
Once again, Yas Forums stupidly can't tell the difference between lorefaggotry and good writing. Saying that writing has no place in cartoons is why there still is the idea that animation is for kids only. You're going to need GOOD writers in cartoons more often to get better cartoons. Letting the storyboarders do the writing is how you ended up with adventure time and star vs the forces of evil.
Blake Roberts
Literally any form of entertainment proves this otherwise. Every medium has been at their most successful with characters and storylines.
Nolan Collins
Have you seen games like Five Nights at Freddy’s? Kids love using their brains and theorizing about edgy and deep lore. Same with most cartoons.
Ethan Collins
>I think animation should be based purely on visual storytelling and not writing.
No one style is better than the other, they both have their merits. I think this is the dumbest thread I've seen today.
Luke Ramirez
Yas Forums has an autistic problem with writers. They think the industry should follow John K's advice and just kick them all out.
Parker Lopez
>Do you think the demand for lore based cartoons is damaging the industry?
It's not, as long as there's enough variety.
>I think animation should be based purely on visual storytelling and not writing.
Any kind of storytelling needs a good narrative. It's not like more world building = good writing, just like when in comics a bunch of dialogue per page =/= good writing.
>Looney Tunes is ideal: no complex plot, just fun little stories
Looney Tunes are a master class in story craftsmanship, because they have great and diverse characters, somewhat archetypes, that can work in any setting, but you still have to be a good writer in order for them to work really really well. Just because something doesn't get overtly philosophical or doesn't have character development doesn't mean it's written bad. It's the same with film editing/direction - if you don't notice it, and it doesn't take you out of the experience, they did a great job.
>cartoons seem to lean more and more on lore and storytelling, which is sad.
I think that the main point here should be that they lean more on BAD storytelling and lore expansion. A lot of creators needlessly over complicate things that lack substance, and it comes out off something a highschooler would think is "deep". Most of the people nowdays who work in any of the storytelling media (animation, comics, vidyas, films, books) lack life experience and true critical thinking, something that they could put in their work, so it could resonate with a broader spectrum.
Brandon Kelly
>Saying that writing has no place in cartoons is why there still is the idea that animation is for kids only.
This is not true: cartoons were actually first made for adults. They were short, funny, sometimes naughty. There are two reasons why cartoons were made "for kids" in USA: censorship and the fact they worked as good marketing tool while kids were eating their morning Cheerios.
Not sure if it's kids or manchildren. I don't know kids like that at least. And we're not talking about kids anyway here. I'm reaching 30 and Road Runner is still my favorite cartoon.
Brody Lee
I don’t know if I’d call it lore based or what, but I actually do miss the old practice of having recognizable cartoon characters and then putting them in any setting. Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, etc. could be set in the past, present, or future with no explanation. One episode had Bugs Bunny living in the woods as a wild rabbit, another has him be a famed concert pianist, and no explanation is supplied or expected.
I would like a return to that
Adrian Cooper
This is the most based post on the board right now. Fuck writefags, they are worthless.
Liam Ward
Walt Disney truly wanted to make works of art in animation rather than just funny animal slapstick. Fantasia bombed because nobody was willing to accept animation as anything more than gags and walts biggest regret was not going into adult animation like he really wanted to.
Tyler Thomas
>Just because something doesn't get overtly philosophical or doesn't have character development doesn't mean it's written bad.
I agree, and that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying they are badly written, because it's just not true. I'm saying I see more and more animation which has absolutely no reason to be animation because it's not taking advantage of the medium at all.
Landon Diaz
Not sure if this is a writefag false flagging anti writefaggotry or some butthurt drawfag that can't write.
Evan Nelson
Well I'm a writefag myself, I've been writing my own lore as GM since my teens. But I'm also an animationfag.
Ryan Hernandez
>not taking advantage of the medium at all.
Your argument basically boils down to an aesthetic disagreement. Furthermore, animation also has numerous production benefits to live action.
Tyler Rivera
>Furthermore, animation also has numerous production benefits to live action.
I agree, there are lot of them. But there are lot of cartoons that don't fall in this category, while there's less and less the good old-fashioned animation.
It also annoys me that American animation industry has this trend of copying Japanese "sakuga" scene, but they fail at it so badly it doesn't look good at all.
Something like She-ra comes in my mind. I don't know why this was made as animated show, it looks so static and shitty. I guess they could have included a cool magical transformation for her, but they didn't: she just stands there and her clothes change. What's the point? At least make her cape move in cool way or something. Yet something like this has countless threads on Yas Forums.
Joshua Perez
Well they did make Thundercats Roar which is exactly what you’re looking for but people hated it.
Jacob Roberts
The problem with she-ra wasn't the fact they hired writers. They didn't hire good ones. And they tried to rise publicity by accusing critics of being women hating sexists to defend their show with terrible writing and even more terrible animation.
Jason Reed
You're not making a cohesive argument.
Lincoln Jenkins
People don't have a problem with lore based shows its that most lore based shows nowadays are shallow or fucking disasters. See Steven Universe and Gravity Falls for either bare minium lore or dumpster fire. The shows that are purely comedic or slice of life are actually fucking garbage and the ones that aren't in your face are just mediocre and boring. Cartoons are tied between pandering for 20 year old Tumblr tards or the youngest of children.
Gavin Gutierrez
>its that most lore based shows nowadays are shallow or fucking disasters
Exactly. I don't want lore for the sake of lore that is incredibly weak. I want good writing.
Jaxon Jones
I wouldn't say people have a problem with them considering they take 80% of this board (when MCU isn't showing).
David Brooks
People will take a good show with good writing lore or not. Thats why most people don't care. Good lore should been talked about not ignored or the worst case bashed.
Cameron Garcia
Both lore and animation quality are secondary to good writing or storytelling. If a show is essentially a radio play on TV it can still be good if the writing is quality. Pic related.
The industry sucks right now because it's an incestuous circlejerk echo chamber where no company actually hires based on performance.
Alexander Taylor
Why not just read a book though
Carter Perry
Books are more effort.
Isaiah James
Zoom zoom.