So why is the clown prince of crime so much more popular than the other Batman villains?

I wouldn't say hope, but definitely freedom.

Well, he is the chosen visage of protesters these days

>Everyone secretly wants to be like that: to be unburdened with responsibility, just mocking society's core values and looking smart and cool while doing
Definitely not everyone, such an outlook on life would lead to nihilism and despair

It was established when he was clowny. Which is not anymore since 2 or 3 decades

1. John Wayne Gacy starting the killer clown meme.
2. Killing Joke was THE Batman book for years.
3. '89 Batman and Dark Knight are the only Batman movies people really care about, and both were about Joker.

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Isn't there an inherent contradiction between wanting to mock society while also wanting to look cool and smart by standards that are generally established by society?

then again if Joker fans were capable of self awareness they'd probably wouldn't be Joker fans

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>such an outlook on life would lead to nihilism and despair

In todays world. With political division, a collapsing economy, the opiod and mental health crisis, school shootings, Islamic terrorism, environmental collapse, and science having proven any form of transcendental religious meaning wrong. Nihilism and despair are the default settings for a lot of people.

Those symbols of hope people talk up in comic books aren't real, they're lies told to us by people in power. Superman isn't real, Batman isn't real, Wonder Woman isn't real, Captain America and the Avengers aren't real.But Joker? Joker is real. People like Joker really exist, and they're on the news literally every day. and both the news media and social media trafficks in them for clicks and views. Which only gives the Jokers in real life even more power.

Who are the two Jokers on the right? I recognize all the rest except for them.

Superman is burdened by his obligations and his responsibilities. Joker is free to act how he wants whenever he wants. People are losing faith in society and just want out.

Personally I think the decline of Superman as a symbol of hope is directly related to an inability to address real world disillusionment. There's a documentary called Waiting For Superman about our declining educational system, and the title is really poignant. Superman right now can't fix our broken society and I don't know if or how he could.

Boy, you have the autism bad. Also, there are all sorts of clowns, from tragic to funny, to differences in their makeup. Google up, kiddo. It's not just jesters, who were honestly tragic in their own right. Just because he isn't a slapstick harmless dodo doesn't mean he isn't a clown. Hell, in his first appearance all he did was kill people anyway.

Dude, just having white skin, green hair and purple clothes does not make you a clown.

Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska

Chicks dig clowns

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His appearance he cant help if we go by the chemical bath origin but it is one he has always leaned into. He's always been an evil clown. His jokes just have killer punchlines. His squirt flower shooting acid for one. You just want him to be a harmless comedian who is hardly a threat and makes jokey contraptions that are easy to get out of but that was only a very specific era of him and not the way he started off. Its always been a perversion of that theme. He's a villain afterall. He wants to kill you as much as make you laugh. Just because they're not good Christian jokes and instead dark humor doesn't mean he isn't joking around.

Honest to god, it's just a fucking nickname that doesn't need all this explanation anyway.

It's a cringe nickname, yes indeed

Nah, it's just you. Funny books just aren't for you I'm afraid.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.

Silver Age was the area of "funny books" indeed.
2010's-2020 is the edgy muh realism area

People care about Begins and I'd say Returns many feel is underrated or at least a really good execution of Burton's vision, more so than '89. But if we're just talking money made, then those 2 are right up there at the top. But TDKR still is the highest grossing WW. TDK does beat it domestically though.

The Dark Knight Returns and Year One have always been as big if not bigger than Killing Joke and one didn't feature him and the other one you couldn't say he was the main focus. But TKJ definitely helped with his popularity.

You and your autism about nicknames, even fucking funny books which is mostly shade about them not being real books than anything and a play on 'comic', is sadly an ongoing everyday thing.

he's still riding that "omg joker shot batgirl so dark I'm an impressionable teen in the 80's" high and pop culture just kept adding up to that to internalize him as Batman's archenemy even though Joker sucks

>joker killed robin so dark
>joker shot batman's parents so dark
>joker killed lois lane so dark
>joker but the actor died so dark
>joker is 3 people now so dark
>batman but a joker so dark.

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where is this one from?

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ur mum lol