>Hans

>if the villain hadn't done the villainous action that define him as the villain, he wouldn't be the villain
Do you have any other brilliant take like this?

seriously, though, all the good things he did, he did it to look like the savior and be considered as a popular savior by the people and legitimate his position.

All the good he did was to serve his nefarious motive (yes, killing an innocent person after marrying them is nefarious)

His reign afterward, ha he succeed, would have been a reign of appearance to maintain his good reputation and popularity, while killing and an hurting people in the shadow anyone he would have considered a threat to his authority, justified or not.

He was lame from being a villain to begin with. Frozen didn't need a villain besides Elsa herself. And since they went with antihero Elsa they should've just had Hans be ambitious but not a cartoon villain about it (like he wants a throne for himself but sincerely wants to end Elsa for the good of the kingdom of even to make it up to Anna for his scheming).

>pretending lazy writing is 4D chess
He wasn't even a villain until after Let It Go was done.

Why does it matter when the script was finalized? Movies are rewritten all the time.
That's like saying "the ending doesn't count because it's at the end".

It matters here since Hans was poorly done and didn't bring much to thr plot as a villain. That's the point.

It's not lazy writing to begin with and I never said it was 4D chess either. It's quite straightforward honestly. You are not making much sense, there.
>He wasn't even a villain until after Let It Go was done.
He was always the villain, you just didn't knew up until he revealed himself.

Hans working with Weaselton would've made it work better since he'd at least a co-conspirator on the inside who could support his reign once the princesses were dead. This didn't happen though.

>It matters here since Hans was poorly done
But he wasn't. He was executed quite well.
>and didn't bring much to thr plot as a villain
But he did. the fuck are you on?

>it's his entire character motivation
If that's true than a lot of his actions don't make sense like him go out and rescuing Anna or stopping that soldier from killing elsa or stopping the nobles from killing elsa.

>>pretending lazy writing is 4D chess
so, you didn't read the post you were quoting at all. It has nothign to do with 4D chess. The fuck are you on?

Based, post more elsanna anons

>It's not lazy writing to begin with
Yeah it is, it's a half assed King candy twist from wreck it ralph. Han's sudden change of morality is so abrupt that it might as well be Olaf who turned out to be evil.

>he was always the villain
>has to tell his dastardly plan to the heroine much later in the film
He wasn't intended to be a villain until after they remade Elsa's character. Hans' "reveal" being so poorly delivered (ima tell the heroine my entire dastardly and hope she dies fast enough) demonstrates this.

>I disagree
Well two can play that game, I disagree with your summation of Hans being a well executed surprise twist villain who adds anything to the plot.

>executed quite well
>the prince charming is evil
>he tells the heroine all about his plan

>but he did
Not really, he's not the one who's core to the conflict. He's not important from his villainy

>>has to tell his dastardly plan to the heroine much later in the film
And? Work well with the character.
>He wasn't intended to be a villain until after they remade Elsa's character.
And? You are not making any point there.

Strider was a hobbit before becoming a man and the heir of Eriador and incidently Gondor. I'll let you in on a secret: final story get to have lot of dissimilarity with their first draft.

I wonder how many of the ones defending Frozen here are just yurifags/tumblr.

>work well with the character
>he thinks acting like a bad Bond villain is good writing
Do you defend the Legend of Korra's writing?

>. Hans' "reveal" being so poorly delivered
It wasn't poorly done.
> (ima tell the heroine my entire dastardly and hope she dies fast enough
And? How is that not fitting for Hans? What reason did he have to think it was dangerous to boast to a dying person?

Imagine. We could have had asperger Hans wanting to propose to Anna instead of Kristoff. And we could have also expanded on Hans' poor family relations because they seemed to be his only motivation to take over Arendelle.

>Work well with the character.
Did it tho? Think about Hans as he was presented before the twist and after the twist and ask yourself, are these the same character?

>deflect and refuse to address any points made there
>the ask to have things spelled to him again.

How about you learn to read first and address what has already been told to you in the first place?

Hans is Vayne Solidor. Like Vayne he is interested in a power grab but Disney is made up of power needly princess.

Anastasia is the exception cause she has power and cannot be tamed

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Sorry, I'm disregarding your post because it was written after mine.
If something is written earlier, it's better.

>he's not the one who's core to the conflict. He's not important from his villainy
He is the main obstacle to the quest of the hero. he is.

>Do you defend the Legend of Korra's writing?
No, and he acted like a Prince, not like a bond villain.

>Think about Hans as he was presented before the twist and after the twist and ask yourself, are these the same character?
Abolutely. suddenly all of his actions make much more sense. see

Yes. His character was fantastically well-received and is a key part of the highest-grossing animated movie of all time.

but I don't liiiiike him

>his intentions while helping out were bad ergo they negate any net positive
Hans acted as a leader while Anna impulsively left to find her sister.

>He is the main obstacle to the quest of the hero. he is.
No he isn't, he actually aided Anna by keeping Elsa alive.

this thread can't be serious
it's like people idolizing Frollo

What's next? Jafar was the real good guy all along because the Sultan enjoyed playing with toys?

>>his intentions while helping out were bad ergo they negate any net positive
It doesn"'t undo the good he did, but that doesn't make him a good person, and it reveal him to be a man of appearance, which is bad leadership material.

Anna was not the heir and acted like a Sister. Elsa's character act is about accepting her own nature and BECOMING a good leader.

>fantastically well-received
As if that stops him from being a lame villain. People have shit taste, this is known.

>well recieved
Because critics go easy on kid's movies. Anytime someone tries to seriously examine this movie's plot holes they got called an autist because frozen fans want their cake and eat it too.

It's one deluded Hansfag notorious for obsessing over when exactly the character first appeared in the script.

>Elsa's character act is about accepting her own nature and BECOMING a good leader.
She abandoned her kingdom...twice.

>critics go easy
That's why it made billions?

it's been seven years and you are still screaming

>he actually aided Anna by keeping Elsa alive.
He didn't do it to aid Anna, he did it to look popular so that people would welcome his take-over.

> Jafar was the real good guy all along because the Sultan enjoyed playing with toys?
No, Jafar was only interested in power. He didn't care about the people. the Sultan, on the other hand, is able to recognise the value of his lower citizen to make him his heir.

>it reveal him to be a man of appearance,
So he should've let those people die.

Stop, stop, STOOOOP! The writers, every film critic, everyone in Walt Disney Co, and the ENTIRE moviegoing public are all WRONG!!!

>She abandoned her kingdom
You need to learn the meaning of the word "becoming", user.