Gem Empire vs Irken Empire

Irkens are also able to produce fast, having production areas just like gems, even being born to speak right from birth. Irkens wouldn't care about the height of the diamonds, most races are taller than Irkens but because they aren't irkens it doesn't matter, they've taken over and enslaved many planets with taller species. Not all irkens base their ranking on height, there's irkens just as tall as the tallest that are just mere fry cooks. While Irkens would have trouble taking down other planets controlled by the gems they would have no problem if they just started with home world simply using a fast array of lasers on it and be done

Alright thanks for the info mt knowledge of Invader Zim isnt as fast as my knowledge of SU. I doubt just going to homeworld and blasting it would help then much. First the diamonds would just evacuate and as long as they're around the gems always have a fighting chance and they would also have to defend from a barrage from hand ships. There's also the fact that the moment a gem soldier manages to infiltrate the ship or get close to its leaders the fight might as well be over. The tallest can be pretty easily held captive while the diamonds are so strong alone they could take on an armies worth of irkens. Irkens real downfall here is they just don't have the physical abilities or knowledge of gems to properlly protect themselves if they have to go hand to hand with sone quartz soldiers.

Irkins. The Massive just flies through space one-shotting planets en-masse, the Irkins expending no effort or resources in doing this and they have access to toon-force tier technology.

The only Irkin we really see in detail is Zim and he is both incompetent and insane, and yet is still extremely dangerous. The Irkins are otherwise rampaging across the Galaxy suffering little if any losses we know of. A single Irkin is often capable of conquering an entire planet.

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Diamonds are taller.

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Irkens obviously. The two intergalactic forces are meant for entirely different types of narratives and tooled as such.

Irkens are meant to be a major galactic force that subjugates other species but which as a whole is kind of irrelevant to the stories Invader Zim tells, namely Zim doing weird shit and battling Dib while annoying people. You could theoretically remove the Irkens as a major galactic force from Invader Zim and keep the story essentially the same, that is to say Zim doing weird shit and battling Dib while annoying people. The Irken race is in effect the most powerful race in its universe and is a major threat to all because of their aggression, but Invader Zim's focus IMO doesn't hinge on the Irkens doing this or that, since more often than not Zim is what carries the story forward.

Gems are a major galactic force primarily because they're about the only known intelligent species we see that is not humans period. However, unlike Irkens they can't really be changed much or removed without changing a lot of Steven Universe as a show. Since SU's overarching narrative involves the direct consequences of the Gempire's behavior, past actions, and leaders' connections to the main characters, you can't really change the Gempire without changing Steven Universe as a show on some fundamental level. They can afford to be powerlevel weak, since their narrative role is to be a force the main characters have no hope of overturning by conventional means whilst also being a major part of the main characters' story.

TL;DR Irkens are powerful but aren't a big story piece, Gems are weak but are more story-important.

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If the diamonds can evacuate fast enough sure, but that doesn't mean Irkens can't just go from planet to planet after their homeworld is destroyed thus having no where else to go to. I'm sure the tallests are defended well enough by the numerous irken ships that constantly surround The Massive. And even if gems were able to get into the massive hundreds of irkens are always inside the massive ready to protect their Tallests. But still without their tallests I'm sure the irkens would be able to function

Irkens have never ever faced an outside force that was a danger to them, once a irken infiltrated a race of rock people when hus disguise was pic related, they are unmached in the universe, but everything in their universe is a complete retard. I give it to the gems simply because they fought in wars and stuff, Irkens barely have to fight ever.

Also

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Irkens stomp easily

>intergalactic
Just so you know this means travel between galaxies. People often confuse interstellar with intergalactic. Travelling at the speed of light it would take 200,000 years to go from one end of the milky way to the other. Travelling millions of times the speed of light would take us hundreds of millions of years to reach another galaxy. Settings that have intergalactic travel often do not contemplate or understand the ramifications and scope of such travel.

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Addendum: I'm not really sure why people have this discussion in general when the results are so patently obvious, but as I mentioned the stories Invader Zim and Steven Universe tell are completely different to the point of being incomparable, at least if you ask me. Is it just because people like to think about how something or other is better than Steven Universe? I know a lot of people don't like SU but it's like comparing Star Wars or Star Trek to Warhammer 40k, everything in Warhammer is already so overpowered that the results are obvious already, and yet people continue to make the comparisons. I don't get it, but then, I don't get or usually engage in powerlevel dickwaving because the results are usually easy to see when you think for a few minutes. That's my two cents and two posts, I suppose.

Thanks kindly, user. This kind of reminds me of the discussions on Half Life and the implications of the Combine having a Dyson sphere.

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This is only partially true, they're weak to IZ Earth's water because it's so polluted, if this was SU's water they'd go through it fine considering how clean it looks
Then not facing an Empire in a full on fight is possibly untrue, as its stated they needed a treaty with a race of "Planet Jackers" that constantly steal planets meaning they had to make a treaty rather than being able to outright kill them thus they've had this kind of empire on empire war before

Gems also have the advantage of racially exclusive technology. Can't just hop on a gem ship or teleporter and use it you either need a gem or take time to figure out how it works and restructure it for irken physiology. On the other hand while I don't know too awful much about IZ couldn't a couple peridots probably break the secrets of their tech and be able to replicate it.

>tallest captive

Aren't the tallest just figureheads that are easily replaced while the control brains actually run the show and just pick the second tallest irkens to as the new tallest?

>a couple peridots probably break the secrets of their tech and be able to replicate it.
Interesting idea, but that would depends on how this starts and if they can capture
Irken technology. If its as simple as an invader coming and being discovered then perhaps they'd get their hands on Ikren technology (but Irkens do have a "self destruct feature so it's possible they could just suicide) if its the Armada coming directly to Homeworld I doubt peridots would be able to nab any technology and successfully replicate it

I think the problem with this battle is unlike a 1v1 or a group battle the variables here are so fast its dificult to pinpoint a winner since the ways this battle can go are all over the place.
Who strikes first?
Why are they fighting?
Are each species are their presumeable peak?
Which era are the gems in?
Is Pink alive for this scenario?
Do they have clusters?
Ect.

Irkens just bump their ships against planets. They would stomp.

>that pic
>that post
had me laughing.

>Who strikes first?
>Why are they fighting?
Of the two I think it would be more likely the Irkens would be first to strike, but I guess then its a choice of either it begining as a regular invasion with a single Irken, or Homeworld being in the Armada's path. As the the Irkens don't particularly have a home planet for the gems to go for, or it would at least be unfair because little is known about it.
>Are each species are their presumeable peak?
Irkens are never shown to be anything less than their peak.
>Which era are the gems in?
Whichever is their height, I assume when pink was around would be the best for them

Well when I say their presumeable peak I dont mean the best they have shown but like if they were at the best they could possibly be. Like Pink is alive, the cluster is active and operational, and homeworld isnt currently in a shortage.
Also I don't think era 1 is the strongest era 2 is when they started experimenting more with weapons

I guess the "presumeable peak" is fair enough

The gems are an entire empire of paper tigers.
It'll just take a few more irkens than usual to wipe them out. The only danger is if Zim tries to get involved.

Irkens stomp probably. Anyone else kinda wish they had done Pokemon vs Digimon later on? I don’t know, been yearning to see Gigantamax Charizard fight Metalgreymon lately

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