How does Yas Forums feel about Art School...

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>Using ED in 2020 I know

Thanks I love Richard Williams and does bring up good points but he does come off as a boomer yelling about how art should be done, and he should know the difference between Art School and Animation School.

Why do people never post the part that come right after it?

>Lately things have improved somewhat. So-called classical drawing seems to be coming back, but with a hyper-realistic photographic approach because skilled artists are thin on the ground.

>Shading isn't drawing, and it isn't realism. Good drawing is not copying the surface . It has to do with understanding and expression . We don't want to learn to draw just to end up being imprisoned in showing off our knowledge of joints and muscles . We want to get the kind of reality that a camera can't get. We want to accentuate and suppress aspects of the model's character to make it more vivid . And we want to develop the co-ordination to be able to get our brains down into the end of our pencil .

>Many cartoonists and animators say that the very reason they do cartoons is to get away from realism and the realistic world into the free realms of the imagination. They'll correctly point out that most cartoon animals don't look like animals - they're designs, mental constructs. Mickey ain't no mouse, Sylvester ain't no cat. They look more like circus clowns than animals. Frank Thomas always says : 'If you saw Lady and the Tramp walking down the road, there's no way that you are going to buy that they're real dogs.' But to make these designs work, the movements have to be believable - which leads back to realism and real actions, which leads back to studying the human or animal figure to understand its structure and movement. What we want to achieve isn't realism, it's believability.

Also bear in mind that this book date back from 2001 and many things have changed, especially because of this

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>followed by a compilation of cherry-picked cringe images
The images aren't in the book this text comes from.

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Writers are already used to being the butt of the jokes and make fun of themselves regularly in movies, cartoons, comics, etc. Meanwhile, artists are pretentious faggots that think the world should bow down to them.

There is no absolute like this and you know it.

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Is a great place to meet people who will work with you in the industry and make contacts, like any school.

Do you have the knack for drawing and teaching yourself, solving problems? Take STEM instead, partly because it's the best fallback if you change your mind, but you'll get to enjoy drawing for relaxation, and learn technical and management shit useful for art production but you'd never encounter in art school. you will learn how to take your images and thoughts apart to analyze them.
If you have the STEM genetics which manifests an eye for natural beauty, you should avoid art school like the plague.

People will never look for your art school degree. They only want to see your portfolio and versatility.

This makes me want to bring up a story about Art School. You guys know Tom Preston right? Well just read hypocrisyofandrewdobson.tumblr.com/post/174312074192/ever-notice-how-dobson-likes-to-portray-his-old#notes

Here are some more stories from his time at MCAD hypocrisyofandrewdobson.tumblr.com/tagged/mcad

no I will not read that

If you don't feel confident teaching yourself and want to learn in a class-like setting, see if there are any skilled artists offering lessons in your area, like in an atelier. They're a fraction of the cost of art schools and will teach you what you need to know.
Art schools are mostly for the industry connections than the actual knowledge, and those come from specific art schools too. However, posting consistently on Artstation or Twitter can be as effective in establishing connections as those schools are.

>>followed by a compilation of cherry-picked cringe images

The fact that any of that crap is going on in art school is cause for concern, the fact that it's displayed on an art school website is horrifying.

The rinky-dink community college I went to has life drawing classes, how o world-class art institutions lack it? Even if an artist isn't interested in the human figure, it's absolutely true that the lessons in form, weight, proportion, etc. that are learned from practicing figure drawing are indispensable to any artist.

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In both case, the wirter of this post is assuming things that isn't present at all. Trying to present Dobson as being salty about that guy whereas he mostly find him talented and fun to be with. It's just someone trying to find every excuse to justify his hateboner.

>The fact that any of that crap is going on in art school is cause for concern
Not really. there has always been things like that.

I went to a liberal arts college and our art department was a joke

>mfw my housemate died a bunch of spaghetti green for her art project and it took up our whole kitchen table and turned it in for her art project

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Then you missed out on the hopeful page on that very same book, where it correctly states that self-teaching is easier than ever thanks to internet and that an appreciation for realism is coming back, ironically outside of art universities though.

Main question you should ask yourself is are you able and willing to draw 10,000 drawings before you can be considered good? Are you willing to live the life of poverty and uncertainty even after you're considered to be good? Most artists don't fail because life forced them to quit but because they chose to quit. Either they didn't find drawing fun anymore or their dreams changed to something else like raising a family, something which is very difficult if you pursue life in art and don't already possess sufficient amount of wealth to support it.

If you're fine with both of those conditions, then start drawing something every day. visit Vimeo's Croquis-Cafe for fun Croquis-exercises and a huge library of free models to draw.

Fine let me explain,Preston had a roommate in college who he portrayed in his comics as LOL SO RANDOM! Preston probably wrote him like this because he was an amazing artist and Preston was jealous. In the and he ending up getting the last laugh working in Preston's dream job while Preston proceed to cry like a bitch and to this day he is still bitter.

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If you're wondering why my >mfw is a street shark rocking out it's because I spent a lot of time in college rocking out, drinking, and not giving a fuck

Correct. Van Gogh, the father of surrealism was a very good in realism before he started experimenting. You can't break rules well if you never learned what they are. Nowadays surrealism is often a label that serves as an excuse for laziness for a lot of "artists".

seeJust a blogger who is trying to fill on his hateboner at all cost by seeing thing in silly comics that aren't there.

That the same Dobson's classmate who landed a job at Disney?

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I think what the writer is trying to say is that his roommate actually worked hard and meet his goals while Dobson continues to be salty about him and not learning from him.

Personally I see art schools as just paying your way into the industry, but it's still a good way to make connections.
You can take a few community college art classes in order to get the fundamentals down and find other tutorials on the Internet to improve.
Like what says, make sure you have a back up job, career or degree to fall back on since starting up as an artist isn't easy as most people think.
If you're passionate about it, then draw every day to get a work ethic going and expand your skills.

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>while Dobson continues to be salty about him and not learning from him.
That's my point, he is not salty or trying to present his roomate in any negative ways.

How do you feel about Dobson as a whole? Do you think he just gave up trying when he left college?

>That's my point, he is not salty
>Dobson
>Not salty.
You're full of hot air. Dobson's inflated ego is in permanent "woe is me"-mode.

Thanks for some of the suggestions.

average artists that got an hatedom that didn't always had the best reaction to it, but overall, I don't blame him for it.

>>Dobson
>>Not salty.
About his roomate.

If you don't need professional license to do a job, going to school for it is probably pointless (aside from networking, but being a poorfag at a state art program is already failing in that regard).

kek

fuck art, i hate art. just draw the fucking owl bro, just draw the owllllllllll, fuck off, fuck you, fuck your ability to see owls in a mess of lines, and fuck the fact that with this talent you'll probably just draw fucking owls fucking for rich furries rather than making anything good.

>Van Gogh, the father of surrealism
Expressionism, not Surrealism.

I went to 4 years of art school and I'm probably a worse artist than 70% of our drawfags. It did get me to learn things like 3D animation and other stuff out of my comfort zone as well as make some pretty good connections with some good artists though so it was still worth it. (well not worth the infinite forever debt I'll be in until I die but I enjoyed going at least)

Dobson was salty about his school and his classmates. So odds are he's also salty about his roommate.

>Dobson was salty about his school and his classmates
Not really. From what is shown, he was administrative and enjoyed his exuberant nature.

A caveat, don't listen to . The vast majority of STEM has zero to do with drawing or art and what does have anything to do with drawing is strictly drafting. Furthermore, STEM is a collection of vaguely related fields and disciplines, saying your backup is STEM is like saying your backup is Humanities (and you'll likely find more fields that are art and drawing adjacent/related in the humanities than STEM anyway). And there is no such thing as the "STEM gene."

You don't go to the art school to learn how to draw, you go to art school to make contacts in the industry. You're supposed to learn how to draw BEFORE attending to an art school as most of them require a portfolio in entrance.

does she have an actual child's face on the 6th?

I mean one woud think a person who's all about hard sciences wouldn't believe downright esoteric nonsense about special magic genes, but here we are.

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As an addition to You might want to check out architecture. I went to a school very focused on getting us geared up for college/ready for career so art was replaced by Industrial Art. I honestly don't know what the career trajectory for an architect is these days but the skills should transfer since you will be dealing with drawing/drafting and three dimensional shapes

Like most schools, they're not for learning. They're for networking so you can build a career. If that's what you want, it might be worth a try.

Fuck that. Became a stem major, got a software job. Hate my job. Only get to draw in off hours. Hard to do large scale projects during the week for lack of time and energy.

I'm not saying go to art school, but don't just blindly take stem.

Decent pay, but a fairly long education/training pipeline, a continuous education requirement to keep accreditation, need for multiple accreditations depending on how one operates, and fairly small job market with limited future growth. It's not a great career choice in and of itself.

Ooh boy, I'm really bad with architecture. Like whenever I try to figure out how a random house on the street works and what supports what I often end up getting confused.

Art school is for rich fuckups. You can become a great artist teaching yourself. Go in to a trade like plumbing or welding and do art in your free time. This will give you money and free time needed to make great art and to practice enough to get good

Fpbp, all the resources on the internet and you need to go to some fancy school to learn how to use a pencil

99% of the time, when people say "get a STEM degree" they're actually referring to a very small subset of engineering and CS degrees and completely ignoring the realities of both getting the degree and what those jobs entail.

>Make web animation for money
Those don't really make money or get promoted anymore. Hazbin might be one of the last big animations that people hear about from Youtube. There may be a few others that will pop up in a blue moon, but it's just not the site's model, and Google has killed all other competitors so you can't find content anywhere else.

That little bit of cash you will get might be night for a quick infusion, but it's a hobbyist thing and nothing else. If you want to be a web animator you'll actually need to stoop to Indian sweatshop levels of production and probably move to India to boot or else the income still isn't really going to pay bills.

To be fair that's a bit like looking at a fully clothed person and trying to figure out how skeletons work.

Going to a trade school for plumbing is retarded unless you're a contractor, and even then you're better off just getting a plumbing job and learning as you go.