Steven's characterization

sugar first expected an additional 3 seasons to flesh it out during season 5 but after pitching the episode reunited cn canned the show because the direction meant they no longer could sell it to foreign markets because of its lbgt themes being so obvious. So from that cn handed sugar a movie and an epilogue to wrap it up as they still wanted to cater to the adult audience.

I hate when stuff like that happens

Basically this. Steven had a slow believable growth until Future halfway through the show snapped into gear and changed him into an emotional wreck.

>after pitching the episode reunited cn canned the show
I don't think they ever stated that the wedding was the reason why CN wasn't interested in the original show continuing past Reunited. I know they said something about other countries having problems with it, but I don't remember it being the reason CN didn't want more of the original show.

I remember the leak that claimed CN was considering 4 more seasons, and based on the interviews it sounds like Rebecca wasn't aware of that.

it can be only assumed though, up until reunited most rumours of the show talked about it being renewed for additional seasons. But after legs to homeworld was released everything about the show was quiet until coincidentally when the movie was announced as an almost cope at comic-con. It could be false but when ian and sugar discussed the show inbetween the movies released they always wink at the growing suspicion the show was canned because they insisted on the wedding... I don't know it just seems as if looking at it from a narrative perspective
>season 5 would've been the reveal rose is pink diamond
>season 6 would deal with the crystal gems dealing with this problem and coping, leading to blue and yellow arriving to earth
>season 7 would be fully embracing homeworld and its problems, eventually leading up to white. Making perfect sense as diamonds were being revealed every season prior
>season 8 would've dealt with emotional trauma just as future did

It just makes alot of sense because prior the seasons would never be so obvious to simply just focus on a gem or diamond for each segment of the episodes.

>season 8 would've dealt with emotional trauma just as future did
The rest sounds good, but this doesn't convince me because, as far as I understand, that's a story they came up with specifically for Future, not something that they were planning to explore from the beginning. And season 6 and 7 could be a single season too, the two aspects could have blended together

Steven should've shattered Jasper much earlier in Future and then gotten increasingly freaked out about the fact nobody holds him accountable for it just because he fixed her.

His character in Future makes no sense

I think it's pretty apparent that Sugar had less of a hand in Future. Either way though,
>Did Rebecca contradict the show?
I'd say it's more like future contradicted what Rebecca had previously said. Which is fine though since word of God isn't always canon

This. Really all the show needed was one extra season, not 3

>nobody holds him accountable for it just because he fixed her
That's a pretty good reason to not hold him accountable, there's literally no negative consequence after he brings her back, and he immediately regrets shattering her.
The problem is that a part of him enjoyed it and wants to do it again.

If that was the case, it would mean Steven always had vengeful thoughts. I don't buy that. There's nothing to suggest that prior to Future.

>I think it's pretty apparent that Sugar had less of a hand in Future.
Why? Is it because she didn't storyboard any episode? Between seasons 4 and 5 she only storyboarded 2 episodes

Yeah, but it needed to be between Reunited and Change Your Mind rather than after the movie. The movie felt like a good conclusion to the series

Yeah, but it'd be something that's really pushing the thought that he can't do anything wrong because he's Steven Universe. He'd be wracked with guilt over the fact that, if he hadn't conveniently had the ability to heal her, he'd effectively be a murderer. People brushing it off like it's no big deal just further draws a line between him and everyone else.

I see, but my point is that there's another problem even if you don't consider the shattering itself to be a problem. So even if you justify that, he's still doing something wrong

>pushing the thought that he can't do anything wrong because he's Steven Universe
Would there be anything wrong with that if that was true?

All his development stems from mommy issues and identity crisis. A lot of which is only touched on in the last two seasons.
It's really just a lot of dumb soap drama

My only major nitpick was the constant need to have Steven not ask follow-up questions for the sake of not pushing the plot ahead faster. There were a lot of mysteries and character conflicts that were dragged out early on because the show needed to take a break for more townie episodes, and it started to get frustrating the later it went on. Beyond that, I think he had a genuinely good coming of age story. Realizing that his mother's legacy and hero-worship was built on a lie and wondering where his own story should go as a result, coming to terms with the fact that his family genuinely loves him but doesn't have all the answers when it come to raising him, trying to help others at his own expense until it starts to tear him apart from the inside out, etc.

Steven Universe was far from a perfect show, but I think as far as contemporary cartoon protagonists go, Steven had one of the better character arcs thought out for him.

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I was really pleased with how is arc went. At first you think he's just an annoying kid who can't really do anything and the gems are the interesting characters of the story, but as it goes on Steven is forced to mature and deal with a ton of heavy shit for someone his age. He questions if he is himself or just an alternate version of his mother and has live with the mistakes she left behind. Then when he discovers that he is himself that keeps him happy for a while, but once he has nothing left to do he freaks out about the changes going on his life with nothing left to do as a protagonist. He's probably one of the better show protagonists out there.

Seems like the characters who hurt him but he later spent a great deal of time with, he actually forgave. Lapis tried to drown him several times and twice freaked out and abandoned them, Peridot obviously was involved with the trauma the Cluster stuff dealt and she did repeatedly try to murder him specifically. But he also spent a lot of time with them in leisure, and when he needed them they were there on his side, both being poofed in their efforts and coming along as the cavalry. Bismuth tried to kill him too, but it seems to me based on his facial reactions during the fight that having to stab her was the worst part of it, something directly attributable to his mother instead of Bismuth. When she returned, she abandoned her desire to kill him and immediately returned to the team as an ally. Plus, she probably spent a lit of time with him too since he was involved in the settling of Little Homeworld, and she rebuilt his house. The Corrupted don’t remember or resemble themselves when they tried to kill him.

Jasper, Spinel, and the Diamonds still have his anger because he hasn’t spent time with them, and they all very clearly remind him of them as enemies. Its not like there is anyone to fight now that he can team up with Yellow Diamond on.

Do you still think that still applies to Future? The last few episodes felt a bit random. He just refuses help for seemingly no reason until he accepts it for seemingly no reason.

Go hang yourself. This is Yas Forums. This is why it exists, dogfucker.

What I want is for mods to do their fucking jobs, and start getting rid of this Steven Universe spam. The show is over, we don’t need this much shit clogging up the board

That isn’t what happened.

She was shocked they gave her S5 at all, and after CYM she felt it wasn’t a good enough end to the series so she went to ask to do a movie. They not only gave her a movie, but a season after it. Based on what she said in interviews, they would have kept giving her more seasons.

They may not be able to show it in Russia, the Middle East, Thailand, or China, but they can and very much do sell merch in the superpowers on that list via people bootlegging the show, and its Cartoon Network’s Spongebob in the west.

She said the show is ending because of burnout. A lot of the problems Steven had with his friends and family in Future is apparently directly based on her experiences spending so much time on the show, like working on the same floor as her brother at the studio but almost never seeing him anyway without coming up with a reason for it (like Peridot).

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Steven in the movie: just wants to relax and be happy, tired of being the hero protagonist
Steven in Future: upset about not having anything to do and scared to be left alone, until he decides to leave everyone himself

Future feels like a mess to me.

Not him but you lot are the most obnoxious and catered to fandom here. You spam this shit, and most of the time talk about shipping.

We are talking about cartoons on the cartoon board. Nobody is preventing you or trying to prevent you from talking about other cartoons.

Not vengeful.

But you can see some bitterness in his humor throughout the show.

Take his line when Pearl almost blew them up in a rocket/forced Steven to starve to death in said rocket.
She apologized for almost killing him, and without a pause he just says “Don’t worry, I’m used to it” in an almost deadpan kind of way. Funny in episode context, but it implies he has a sense of looming betrayal and mistrust taking Future into account.

Cut out the townie episodes and it becomes the main theme of the entire show.

Go fuck yourself you smug asshole. No other fandom gets this much slack, and you damn well know you faggots clog up the board. “hur could Steven redeem him? Who’s best gem?” Fuck you

There’s only so much because there’s no comics out now, so there isn’t storytimes and talkbacks clearing out the catalog.

>She was shocked they gave her S5 at all, and after CYM she felt it wasn’t a good enough end to the series so she went to ask to do a movie.
In a recent interview, she said that she insisted to have extra episodes after Reunited so that they could complete the story. She pretty much confirmed that the last arc of season 5 was rushed. And as she said several times, CYM was originally supposed to be the end.

Sounds like that was when they were waffling on the show. In the end though Cartoon Network kept doubling down on it.

She said they kept asking her to tone down the gay the entire series. She pulled a Bruce Timm and respectfully listened while being noncommittal on response, then ignored the requests.

>There’s only so much because there’s no comics out now, so there isn’t storytimes and talkbacks clearing out the catalog.
Bullshit. This has been going on for some time, with or without story time threads.

>You spam this shit
No we don't, you are spamming this thread with your hypocrisy though.

He said vengeful in the episode

>bitterness in his humor
What?

>but it implies he has a sense of looming betrayal and mistrust
I didn't think that was supposed to be a joke (from his perspective). He always knew staying with the gems would be dangerous and he wanted that.

>taking Future into account
I don't see how Future would recontextualize what came before it when everything he says in Everything's Fine is about things that happened in Future or maybe shortly before it rather than before the timeskip

I thought the payoff was kind of quick and messy, and there were characters I think that could have been better utilized in the overall plot (e.g. Jasper didn't get much closure, Aquamarine went from being a serious threat to being half of Team Rocket, Spinel didn't get to have a serious talk with Steven despite their parallels in feeling that their friends and purpose for living were "drifting away" etc), but I still like stories that explore the issues with "Happily ever after." Things change, friends leave, and the romanticized image of happiness you thought you were fighting for doesn't last forever.

So many of Steven's relationships were built around trying to work towards some clear end-goal that it makes sense that he feels lost now that he doesn't have one. He tried to be the one who helped others for so long that now that he's the one who needs he feels like it invalidates any worth that he had as a person. So there were things I wish they had expanded on more, but I still think it was an interesting direction to take, and a decent note to end things on.

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>No we don't
Don’t lie

The board currently has well over 70+ threads about tons and tons other cartoons. Out of all the cartoons you could have discussed, you chose to click on a thread about a cartoon you don't like.

But there have been times he needed help and he had no trouble accepting it

Sure. But as a maturing young adult turned "savior of the galaxy" and having emotional issues that are harder to define than anything he's dealt with in the past, it's probably more difficult to want to admit that he has a psychological problem and needs help when he still wants to be of genuine use to others.

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Steven spent two years with the diamonds between CYM and the movie.

>character who has mental trauma doesn't act consistently
When Steven gets what he wants it isn't what he thought it was going to be like. He was so used to be everyone's savior that when he no longer needs to be it feels wrong to him and as the hospital episode explained he is viewing these emotions like a life or death scenario. He leaves because he realizes that staying in Beach City and having no idea what to do with himself wasn't good for his mental health. He decided to do what his dad did by going off and seeing the world to try to figure things out. And if he stayed in Beach City the reality is that Connie wouldn't stick around for him and Steven clearly wants to marry Connie someday.

Furthering this point, Steven at the end of Future does the very same thing that he disowned his parents for (leaving his family because things aren't going the way he wants at home.) Maybe its because is done in more admicable terms in comparision to Greg and Pink, but it's still there.

While the fleshing out stuff this way during additional seasons sounds nice, we gotta remember that they would likely recieve the same treatment as Season 3 & 4; gems benched, plot glossed over until its convenient, townie episodes, neglected worldbuilding. SU's problem was never one of lack of time, and no extra amount of episodes would be able to fix that. The competent members of the crew left, and who knows if newer people would be able to at least compensate.

It doesn't help that the support group he had built up and told himself that he was going to hold onto forever was starting to break apart.

He still had the gems to fall back on, but there's a clear sense of feeling left behind when everyone else started to move away and act like they had a clear idea of where they were going in life. The exact same thing happened to me, clinging onto the small-town life I grew up with, only to realize too late that the people that I loved and that made that life worthwhile in the first place didn't all feel the same way, leading everyone in different directions.

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>>character who has mental trauma doesn't act consistently
By that logic, you could justify literally any action Steven takes by saying he has mental trauma and therefore his character doesn't need to have any consistency.
Even if that's how things worked in real life (which it's not), it's absolutely not how good writing works, so quit bringing this up as if it's a valid defense for the writing.

>When Steven gets what he wants it isn't what he thought it was going to be like.
It's not like that at the end of the movie
And what does he want in Future (or after Future for that matter) anyway?

>because he realizes it wasn't good for his mental health
They don't say that. The only reason he gives for leaving is that "he ran out of ways to grow" there. Which I thought made no sense and Rebecca contradicted in that interview when she said that you can always do something new even if you stay home. Yes, she said that because of the virus, but she still said that. She said that you don't need to leave, that leaving is just one of the many things you can do. Which means they never explained why Steven leaves. It's an obvious parallel to his parents, but that's a writing choice, not the character's motivation.

>Connie wouldn't stick around for him and Steven clearly wants to marry Connie someday
That doesn't matter when Steven's plan is to travel to some random state and move there. He's not following where Connie is going, he's just going elsewhere.

>SU's problem was never one of lack of time
It was in the last arc of season 5 and the entirety of Future. And to me that problem is more significant than any of the problems you mentioned. Aside townie episodes, which I often enjoyed so I don't even consider them a problem, they're only a problem when you consider they should have had different priorities, like reaching CYM sooner, but that's also because of CN who didn't even tell them how many episodes they would have had in total. I think they would have managed their time better if they knew exactly how many episodes they were going to have to begin with.

Reunited should have been the season 5 finale, with the unused episodes being placed before it to put more focus on the Rose reveal and what that means. Diamond Days should have gotten padded out into an entire season to give the diamonds full arcs to make their redemption more convincing

I agree. I still like how season 5 turned out for the most part though. My major issues are Legs from here to homeworld being a little too fast, all of the fusions debuting all at once and the confrontation with White being short and not explored enough. At least Blue and Yellow already had more before Diamond Days, White was literally just introduced and we still don't know much about her, with the more interesting info coming from an interview.

Aquamarine was never a threat, the Topazes were. All she had to fall back on was her rank on Homeworld and branding the Topazes traitors.

Even young Steven could handle her physically.

Likewise, a single Ruby is an easy win.

He spent two years going from colony to colony and making Andy proud by giving the Gem race American democracy.

Not actually with them.