Nukes > alien squid. The film version makes more sense. No one would care that America was dabbed on by a squid and would just take advantage of it if anything.
Nukes > alien squid. The film version makes more sense...
Juan Ward
Hunter Cook
Everyone in the world was affected by the squid retard.
Joseph Price
The Squid landing was just the start. The actual payload was the psychic visions that everyone would get and the real sensitives would never shake.
William Wood
The squid ending is required given the general message, and the nuke ending framing Dr. Mahattan is retarded because rogue or not he was a US asset and damn right the rest of the world would blame them
Ryder Roberts
wouldn't a nuke just lead to lot a more finger pointing than a giant squid
Jonathan Gutierrez
The whole point is to scapegoat something truly alien to bring humanity together. Manhattan was literally introduced as an American Superman and America's Ace in the Hole for generations.
It'd be like if an American Hero somehow went rogue then nuked the rest of the world, even if America isn't behind it everyone will see it as America dropping the ball so hard that they'd be the global bitches of the world probably as long as they were still a fucking country.
Xavier Campbell
no because every country got nuked
Josiah Collins
and russia would still gang up on a weak america aliens or no. as soon as that happened russia would nuke dc and other us cities to take advantage
Oliver Campbell
How is humanity supposed to unite against an unkillable god?
Ian Brooks
That's retarded, especially since America also still has its nukes. The entire point is that humanity atleast out of fear puts aside their differences. Russia would be an idiot to try and decimate its strongest ally as well as risk retribution that would leave it even weaker for this unknown threat.
Ayden Wood
I'm pretty sure the Soviets were too busy dealing with the aftermath of the pshycic bomb that went off.
Lucas Harris
the aliens targeted america so they are a russian ally. not taking advantage would be suicidal
Cooper King
Why would an alien psychic squid send pornography to all humanity? Why would anyone expect it to scare anyone? Is this a lovercraft thread?
Juan Miller
>The Squid landing was just the start.
Exactly this. From the way Veidt speaks at the end, he would continue to manipulate from the shadows in order to keep the peace, in whatever means he intended to.
The movie is a 14 year old's initial reaction to watchmen:
>Whoa! Cool! Badass!
The actual soul of the comic is lost in Snyder's adaptation. As it's own movie? Maybe it's decent, but compared to what it is inspired from? Trash.
Ian Russell
its only suicide if you expect america to attack you and win easily which they cant because of the squid, and they wouldnt because why the fuck would russia be associated with a teleporting space squid. think it through you absolute mong
Liam Hall
Nobody would care if some random monster teleported into NYC, died, and was never heard of again. Shit would go back to normal a month later.
Colton Harris
You obviously didn't understand the story if you believe that.
The Manhattan hoax doesn't even make sense in the context of the story, because there's no reason for Jon and Adrian to be working on new energy reactors when Jon has the power to synthesise any element instantly.
Chase Moore
You people don't fucking understand how the world works
Even if every single country got nuked equally, they would still point fingers. There are a million possible ways for the powers that be to try and hold each other accountable and blame each other for it
If an ALIEN threat suddenly materializes and kills a chunk of the global population, that can't be anyone's fault. Shit from fucking outer space that they can't explain killed people. The idea of the plan was to unite the world towards one singular cause, which would be attempting to prepare for more aliens. In the movies ending there is no real unifier. Just lots of people die and Manhattan leaves. There's no 2nd part to the plan that would lead to peace like Ozymandias wanted
It's so stupid. They could have easily kept the alien ending and just had it be not a squid if they were worried about it looking silly. Instead they tampered with it for no damn reason
Evan Nelson
If a giant psychic squid materialized in modern day Syria from some other unknown dimension killing half the region with a mind attack, I think we'd all be pretty terrified.
Nolan Watson
Because the Squid is set up through "supplementary" material in the comic the movie didn't/couldn't really do and the obvious streamlining because fear of alienating normalfags.
Hunter Ramirez
Dude doesn't want to be making petrol 24/7 when he could be gangbanging prime puss
Carter Flores
I'm going to be honest: even with just the Squid, I've always thought that the U.S./Sovet Union would have itchy trigger finger nukes flying around each other in minutes in reality.
U.S. would immediately assume it, whatever it was, was SU as soon as NYC was clearly the destroyed target, and counter strike, and/or conspiracies that it was a Soviet Union experiment bioengineering by their government would be fucking everywhere. So would counter-conspiracy theories in the SU.
Justin Brooks
>everyone will see it as America dropping the ball so hard that they'd be the global bitches of the world probably as long as they were still a fucking country.
Just like how all the world's govts are upset and attacking China over COVID? Oh wait, they aren't.
Nicholas Perry
It's very possible that something of that nature could happen, but at the very least the plan was more fleshed out, there was a terrible logic to it that made the reader actually ask themselves "Fuck, could that actually work?"
The movie version plays out just like a bad guy killing people and being crazy. I don't buy the movie plan at all, I don't believe it could work. The comic plan, I believed it had a chance. Either way the plan was absolutely insane, but I just feel like the movie missed out on who Ozymandias really was and what he was trying to do
Christopher Torres
Was COVID paraded around as the Chinese Superman?
I'm so fucking tired of retards and their false equivalences.
Owen Jones
Who gives a shit, they think Dr. Manhattan did it, an American agent, doesn't matter that Manhattan got nuked Russia would go apeshit
Noah Edwards
A disease spreading
Versus
A human weapon with an allegiance to a specific country going crazy and killing someone
Completely different. One is an act of nature, the other is a consequence of playing god
Jordan Brown
Which leads us to the point that Watchmen should not be adapted and attempting to do so is retarded.
Mason Price
>No one would care that America was dabbed on by a squid and would just take advantage of it if anything.
Confirmed for not actually reading the comic.
Ian James
It's very simple.
alien = unknown threat = humanity has a chance of winning and should unite and try to find out more.
manhattan = known threat = humanity is doomed and might as well go out with a bang
Logan Brown
Hey, I'm still of the belief that it could be adapted into a animated 12 episode series. Idk who I'd trust to make that, tho. These days everyone tries fucking with the recipe when adapting older works.
Aaron Kelly
Point of the squid wasn't that it was internally logical in the setting. It was the final part of the deconstruction of the superhero story. The villain's scheme is exactly as stupid and illogical as every supervillain scheme is, you're supposed to see Ozy as every bit as delusional and ridiculous as silver age Lex Luthor. Premise of the comic is "what if people in the real world acted like they were in a superhero comic?"
The idea that Ozy was in anyway rational is a willful misinterpretation of the book by people too immature to understand the satire, spurred on by Moore's descent into self-righteous lunacy
David Wright
The giant squid means the Comedian losing it make more sense. Something so horrible, so ridiculous but also the fact it was needed was what drove an extreme nihilist over the edge.
Jacob Brown
You have to go back
Connor Campbell
You are a swine and your bloodline is cursed.
Christopher Ward
>The actual soul of the comic is lost in Snyder's adaptation.
I can't even watch it anymore.
It bites me that we have an HBO show and a movie and they fail separately, while the original adaptation should have been an HBO show.
Elijah Peterson
You could also say "The story is so insane that nobody in their right mind would believe it was fake, exactly because of that."
Brandon Bennett
They'd care if thousands and thousands of people died. Think of the impact that 9/11 had on American society, now imagine if a flying saucer crashed into the WTC.
Josiah Foster
>OP is so retarded he can can't even understand a 12 issue story
Wew
Lincoln Rivera
If you'd read the comic you'd know that's exactly the opposite of what he wants.
William Torres
Post a better reveal than this (you can't)
Blake Moore
>If an ALIEN threat suddenly materializes and kills a chunk of the global population
We would again blame USA because of Scientology and Area 51 you numbnuts.
Isaiah Davis
Regarding there are no obvious hints, this is like the perfect reveal in any comic.
Josiah Cruz
I think we would all agree the squid would have been fucking kitsh. It's one of these thing that works in comics / manga but not in lives action
Matthew Reed
The fact that it didnt make sense was what made it so great. It was supposed to be a visual representation if something completely and utterly incomprehensible at the time. And it was a play on the whole alien invader trope. It was really fucking insane.
Sebastian Anderson
Jonathan Clark
Ok but copying literally everything else 1:1 isnt kitsch in a story always meant to contrast kitschy superheroes with realism?
Jack Howard
>Even if every single country got nuked equally, they would still point fingers.
Yeah, at Manhattan. The superman with godlike powers that no longer answers to any government. People would be scared shitless.
Cameron Nelson
To be fair, million / billion of people dying with blue nukes would also fuck up his shit.
Matthew Ortiz
Yeah, at Manhattan. The symbol of the United State's power, who even if he disavowed the US would still be their fault for existing. People would be scared shitless that the US government used such a monster.
Josiah Roberts
These games are retarded but their twists...are also retarded but amazing
Julian Powell
At least, the Snyder adaptation is visually good and t he man has artistic vision.
HBO's was a fucking fraud
Jose Johnson
People ARE scared of Americs for using nukes.
Manhattan was nukes and the Squid was supposed to be even further than beyond.
Hunter Davis
He just copied the original comics artistic vision. Everything he did since was awful too.
John Price
Ozymandias, Dan and Comedian suits are redone to be more Batman-like / tacticool.
Even the 3hours and half version of the movie still has to drop things from the comics.
It's simply impossible to adapt everything.
Angel Ross
Your opinion is objectively wrong their suits were still kitsch.
Jordan Evans
The squid was proof of alien invasion. A truly immediate, global threat. The only way to cut the gordian knot of the geopolitical situation in the 1980's--a world that had balanced precariously on the sword point of MAD--mutually assured (thermonuclear) destruction as the basis of relations between the US and USSR for four decades. It was meant to cause cooperation between the two akin to their WW2 alliance.
Alan Moore did not, like anyone else in the early-mid 1980's, anticipate one side of the Cold War would just melt away by the end of the decade, making the sacrifice of New York, while attractive in it's own right, actually unnecessary to achieve Ozzy's goal of avoiding being the "smartest man on a cinder," as The Comedian teased him about in his own charmingly nihilistic way.
Xavier Bailey
...Why doesn't Barbara's suit have nipples?
Gabriel Jones
If you think these suit are equally kitsh, you have taste issues
Gabriel Gray
Indeed I would argue that Watchmen totally fucked up Snyder's approach to DC--he turned Superman--who Moore nailed as Reagan-era USA cheerleader in "The Dark Knight)--into Dr. Manhattan. And he turned Batman into little more than a wealthy Rorschach. Neither worked.
Jordan Murphy
What's HBO's series even about? Is it an adaptation of the comic, or just its own thing in the same universe?
Brody Gutierrez
A sequel of the comics.
Here's your doc Manhattan.
It's a about a 40 something years old black independant strong police woman who has to search why the KKK - Rorschach - alt right group are bad and who killed her hierarchy superior (yeah, a Comedian rip off, they even play the Unforgettable music soon before his death)
Evan Rogers
Go back to Yas Forums
Liam Cruz
Kayden Lewis
Thanks for proving my point
John Brown
It's a sequel.
And the bits that have the least to do with the original are the best.
Oh, and they blackwashed Hooded Justice.
It did have this shot though.