Star vs. The Forces of Evil

>implying they'll be able to track them down after the armed forces carpet bombs Central LA.

He showed remorse (even though his actions are easily understandable due to war times) and asked Eclipsa and the MHC to keep him trapped in the crystal if that was the wish of the people... three times.

If he had been a woman, she would simply blame random citizens of her own actions, had them execute to hide her mess and live happily ever after.

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Eating a cake shaped like one of the guys you used to kill and eat and finding it hi-larious isn't remorse. If anything it comes off, in retrospect, like he was just putting on an act with "I'll go back to the crystal" because he knew the audience would be as dumb as the actual audience and just forget everything he'd actually done because OMG BABIES, THIS MAN HAS A BABY.

Actually even if he was remorseful, that's not enough on its own. Be a fucking man and just kill yourself to atone for it (I would say "get back in the crystal," but the crystal's a literally nothing non-punishment so I don't think it's enough).

If he'd been a woman he should've also been locked up or killed. Cannibalism isn't a quirky funny kawaii lifestyle choice.

Actually, wait, never mind. He should go back to the crystal.

He should go back and only be allowed to emerge once Eclipsa and Meteora have both died. Let him see what his victims' families felt like after their own loved ones were randomly eaten by him. inb4 BUT WAR. I don't think those miners did shit to him.

r8 my judicial/ironic punishment skillz

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It's not cannibalism as he is from a different species. Mewmans do cannibalism!
In fact, demons and fairies canonicaly eat mewmans too... fuck, mewmans are prey for everybody including themselves. I just realized how freaking retarded this acusation was.

Not to mention we talk about war times when it was kill or be killed, and there was no food for monsters because Solaria was stealing all productive land. Eating the guy you are going to kill anyway, so your soldiers can get the few food which remains, doesn't seem bad to me. At least fallen warriors had a purpose, instead of simply being used as edgy decoration like Toffee did.

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At least she redeemed herself.

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you guys are fucking retarded

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>not cannibalism
I've posted this in Star threads before, but really, it is. They're both sapient species who aim to coexist and even have essentially similar lifestyles (mostly because it's a cartoon, but still. Not a lot of worldbuilding re: monster lives and it seems both groups do the same shit). Somebody from either group eating the other is pretty much morally equivalent to cannibalism, especially when you yourself, as said cannibal, ALSO want these groups to exist as one.

If you want that, then eating the other race isn't even something you should even consider. Please remove yourself from the planet for the future of humanity.

>Mewmans do cannibalism

when?

That joke baby-eater character? She was also a criminal. Fuck her too. Fuck the demons. Fuck the pixies (though at least pixies are from another dimension. That's more like if an alien invaded and tried to eat you). I don't care WHO does it.

>no food for monsters

IDK man. If Solaria's killing that many monsters (and probably Mewmans are dying too), then eat the dead. Everything we've seen shows Globgor ate them alive. Also
> so your soldiers can get the few food which remains
No.

Globgor, like the rest of his family, is incredibly selfish. He grows and swallows them whole. There is nothing left to share.

>Toffee
Toffee was also wrong and evil. That should've gone without saying, but since a lot of people seem to interpret "Toffee was right [about killing magic]" as "every single thing Toffee ever did was morally just," I guess I have to spell it out.

Eating people alive is wrong. Killing people to make a curtain of skulls is wrong. I have as much sympathy for one as I do for the other, which is pretty much none.

You could make a serious argument that at least Toffee's trophies were actually from the battlefield, unlike Globgor eating people, but I'm not gonna do it. Toffee is a much better character than Globgor but I won't pretend he's sympathetic either

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>that's more like if an alien invaded and tried to eat you

I realize someone could turn this logic around on me and apply it to monsters eating Mewmans since they were from Earth. Maybe when they first made it to Mewni, but it doesn't apply to Globgor, and here's why:

1) By the time Solaria and Eclipsa were ruling, Mewni had had, like, 30 queens before and existed about ~1400 years. It wasn't a new thing
2) Globgor and Eclipsa are literally from the same generation. He wasn't around when the Mewmans invaded either
3) Eating Mewmans doesn't even really seem to be a monster thing, just a Globgor thing. It doesn't really seem most others do it. He's the weird cannibal freak of his own species and I really don't get why he gets a pass

Wait I stopped agree the Birthday Clown episode, wha Happun?

cannibal apologism

>1) By the time Solaria and Eclipsa were ruling, Mewni had had, like, 30 queens before and existed about ~1400 years. It wasn't a new thing

They didn't. Their past history is made up.
Just do the calc considering the first queen was a british pilgrim traveling to the new land.

Lyric burnt the old castle with the true history of Mewni written in it and only one other queen (Soupina) is ever mentioned, who still had no control over magic and got consumed by it (meaning she is a fairly new generation)

1st queen: Mo
2nd queen: Soupina
3rd queen: Lyric
4th queen: Skywynne (wrongly believes she is the 27th)

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>the first queen was a british pilgrim traveling to the new land.
>Star's ancestors are Bongs
Yeeesh.

Because she was actually doing the right thing.

Giving monsters houses, terrains, jobs and stuff was not a bad move, except it was when Eclipsa and Star forced mewmans out of their houses to do so, as if they didn't have a fucking magic wand that coud literally create stuff from nothing. First

Secondly, Moon didn't know what the spell would do, you are really trying to force thingd at your convenience (are you Cotugno?) and make it sound like Moon knew perfectly what Solaria's spell was doing to people, and also trying to make it sound like the ones affected by the spell didn't hate monsters or were monster lovers.

Moon decided to stop Mina from her plans of killing Eclipsa and Globgor by only exhiling them so that Mina "would be happy" but unfourtunately Star fucking happened and made Mina consider she had a decision to take.

If you want to blame Moon you MUST blame Star as well as she is direct responsable of bringing Mina back to Mewni, she would probably have stayed in that back trash eating tacos' leftovers.

In resume, this is another portion of the show that would have been solved if Star listened to what Marco had to say, like bloodmoon ball or the hundred times he told her that he didn't want to get in the photobooth.

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That is a genuinely good theory but I'm not sure I can accept it as true.

Mostly because even if the Mewmans buy into the lie, the monsters shouldn't. Ex. couldn't Globgor have told Eclipsa while they were dating/married "no, your family's wrong, my grandparents were there when the Mewmans arrived and it was only like a century ago," or something? But even Eclipsa signs current documents with 17XX (don't remember exactly) and doesn't mention anything like that.

Here's maybe the strongest argument against this. In A Spell with No Name, we actually see a few doors inside the wand containing the spells from queens who weren't in the current spellbook and whose marks are unknown to us. I'm fairly certain we saw more than 3. Doesn't rule out some deception going on there but means the family tree is less simplistic than that.

Re: the weird Pilgrim outfits: I really don't know what they were going for there. I'd guess it's just weird cartoon shorthand for foreigners. There's the possibility of time distortion shit going on somehow too, like they were somehow sent back in time before getting to the portal, but it's all just completely unexplained.

Also if they were trying to imply the first Mewmans were part of the Echo Creek Bonner Party (seriously, what is WITH all the cannibalism shit in this show?), the timeline still doesn't line up. The number of queens we know for sure existed just doesn't fit into ~166 years and Eclipsa was canonically crystallized for 300 years and a couple decades' change.

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nayrt, but
>when Eclipsa and Star forced mewmans out of their houses to do so
They left on their own. In fact it's really telling that New Monster Town was more advanced in a few months than Mewni in three hundred years.

>Secondly, Moon didn't know what the spell would do, you are really trying to force thingd at your convenience (are you Cotugno?) and make it sound like Moon knew perfectly what Solaria's spell was doing to people, and also trying to make it sound like the ones affected by the spell didn't hate monsters or were monster lovers.
Moon, who had suffered with those marks after using Eclipsa's spell, should have known better than most not to try any spell (especially dark ones) without first knowing all about its effects and how to negate it. She was being a self righteous dumbass user. I know she's cute, but it's true.

I like to think that the first Mewman settlers were sent back in time as well as into another dimension by Glossaryck specifically so he could set up the events of Star Vs.

Moon specificaly stated she thought the mewmans were to blame for their situation because they didn't tell Eclipsa what was happening. They spent almost 5 minutes to point that out and that Moon was tired of mewmans being so dependant.
After that we see Moon lets fake rumors about Eclipsa spread in the camp (she knows they are fake because she tells Star) to encourage them to become Solarian warriors.

Finaly, when Star asks what's the reason behind the coup Moon explains it's a personal revenge for her memory being wiped out for two weeks and that she doesn't plan to hurt the monsters or do them wrong in any way (so they are keeping the houses)
Moon used innocent people who trusted her and filled their mind with lies for her own advantage... that's insane.

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Fucking based and pol/pilled

Mina had been a warrior that went crazy after hundreds of years being alive, she was do disconnected from reality that she only needed to remain in a place covering her basic needs, eating and sleeping, perhaps some good fucking twice or thrice a month and Marco could have done that to save Mewni easly.

The moment Star brought her back to her senses she got mad seeing monsters going rampart or acting as if they were civilized in Mewni, imagine fighting a war to save people and give them houses, bringing them security, knowing the ome you saw as the person that was saving everyone died in the hands of monsters, and that her daughter was probably responsable as she was dating monsters, imagine knowing that same daughter threw the crown and wand away to escape and have a monster baby. I think that broke Mina's beliefs and sent her into a spiral of madness.

Then Moon comes and more or less changes history, defeats a monster after her mom was killed by them, but Moon's daughter, Star came and helped the betrayer (I don't know how educated you are, but in history they teach you that whoever throws the crown is a traitor) and stablished monsters in the kingdom, but she also made a second mistake, she taught Mina about 'democracy' so Mina considers she has a vote, a decision over what happens and what doesn't, she stops obeying queens and only wants to obey the one she devouted herself to, Solaria.

The flashback to Mina's past only made me wish Mina would win over Star.

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I'm the user who posted about Moon.
Interesting position and I know very well that part was ridiculous, the moment the writers decided to make Moon say that she was doing a coupe because of Eclipsa defending Meteora, it would have been a lot more emotive if she mentioned her mother, like "They killed my mother! They took her away from me when I was a little girl" or something, instead they recurred to something Moon and Eclipsa had already hugged out.

Also, thanks as well, that idea of Mina breaking because of Eclipsa marrying a monsters didn'r cross my mind.

Does anyone have that part where Eclipsa talks about monsters? I think I remember I saw it and she mentioned Septarians and the guy was pretty much Toffee?

Ok, but the fuck. Star's mom did a terrorism and magic is dead?!

in a nutshell, yes

>I don't know how educated you are, but in history they teach you that whoever throws the crown is a traitor

This is a lie. I live in a monarchy with hundreds of years of history and abdication is a completely acceptable decition... even encouraged if the political situation demands it.

BTW, Star is the one who abdicated, in the trial it is confirmed Eclipsa still owns the queen title and the book clarifies she just let the wand and book in the castle when she ran away to proceed with the political marriage with the King of Monsters, as these were the monster side demands for the peace treaty.

Next, you'll be calling Crescenda or Comet traitors for doing similar things instead of having their people famine and die in pointless wars to make brainwashed soldiers happy.

I agree that Mina should had stayed out of Mewni and this is all Star's fault. There was no place for her there with the times changing and she only fed Moon's childish revenge.
Only thing positive I find here is that she is out of the curse that tortured her mind for so long.

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Wait I was joking! How did the queen fucking KILL MAGIC!?

14 or so queens (including Star, her mother, and like 10 former ones) performed the Whispering Spell that Star used to destroy her wand in S1 on the dimension containing all the magic in the multiverse

Rewatch the episode of the hug:

>Moon is pleased with New Monster Town and how well it works. Monsters are polite, hard-working and love Star.
>The first thing Eclipsa brings up when meeting her is how bad she feels about what happened and tries to talk things out.
>Moon simply changes the topic and pretends everyting's cool for the next hours.
>Upon seeing Globgor she finaly pulls a knife towards Eclipsa's back: "I understand you desperately trying to bring him back, it's terrible not being able to see your loved ones" pum! Passive agressivity as its finest.
>Nobody notices so the evening proceeds and Moon points out Meteora is exactly like Star as a baby (this is important because Meteora is the only one Moon planned to save during the first terrorist attack)
>Moon refuses to live in the temple as Eclipsa proposes and when Star asks if it's because of Globgor she states the following:
>"The Monster King is not a problem, Eclipsa is. I don't trust her"

Moon never intended to talk things out with Eclipsa, she just acted politely to check everything in New Monster Town and decided who deserved to be saved (all civilians included the monsters and Meteora). That's why the first plan only required the MHC and her keeping a low profile as an ex-queen not interested in politics.
The first plan failing because of democracy and Mina poisoning her mind in the back fed the flame to a whole new level, in which mewmans were the perfect tools for conquer.

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You know mina in general looks eerily familiar to the butterflies,is there a connection why Solaria went/recruited after this specific person?

>is there a connection why Solaria went/recruited after this specific person?
Starving peasants will do anything to survive.

For the same reason Eclipsa was able to get away with mind control/swapping, memory manipulation, forced age regression, and literally polluting the concept of magic itself: bad writing.

There's a flashback about it.

Mewmans pretty much treated Solaria as a mad queen because there was nothing like a "monster menace". In fact monsters usualy just made noise around their stolen land, in a pathetic attempt to scare everyone away, which never worked.

Solaria was so blood thirsty she made a huve deal out of this and was willing to recrute soldiers for a war but everybody ignored her crazy ass. Mina just happened to be a super poor pathetic and ugly girl nobody loved, so when Solaria showed fake care towards her she joined her army.

Solaria repeated the process with other hungry and loveless individuals but noticed they would ran away from battñe out of fear and how senseless it was. That's why she experimented with them and erase all trace if fear or pity of their minds.

Solarian Warriors literaly live in a constant nightmare in which they can't stop hurting others. Either they died by the monsters, killed each other or themselves.

Mina was the only survivor because her mind got so broken she just accepted everything Solaria said... but the problem is her mentality can't change and neither can she learn. She is stuck.

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>I live in a monarchy with hundreds of years of history
An actual monarchy or a constitutional monarchy?

The difference is reason and circumstance.
>abdicate to your heir because the bloody nobles are upset=maybe good
>abdicate during a hard time to elope=not good

It's been both and in neither of those options have abdication being a problem, neither has political marriages to assure alliances or peace treaties with old enemies. In fact, enemies just keep on changing and so are allies depending of the time period.

Solaria failed at both, so no wonder villagers hated her and she had to brainwash people into joining her bloody game. I mean, who the fuck marries a prince and a heiress into the same family WHEN THE OFFER NOTHING TO YOU?!
Jushtin provided allies and Eclipsa married to someone useful, but Solaria was useless by nobility standards.

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She lost the game of power

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Add to the list that she never married herself because "muh feminism" so not only she wasted Jushtin's and Eclipsa's bullets on pointless marriages but she did nothing to reinforce the kingdom herself.

Jushtin was also a smart one, as he convinced his racist sister the monster kingdoms he chose as friends weren't monsters at all hahaha
If Eclipsa had been as smart as him she would have erased the MHC's memory of Globgor and reintroduced him as a demon.

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Wait...who is Eclipsa's dad?

A sailor named Alphonse, one of the members of Solaria's pro-war squad.
She didn't allow Alphonse to be near Eclipsa because she thought father figures were useless and men served no purpose out of being soldiers.

Eclipsa found out and created a sentient portrait of him, to whom she asked permission to go out (as you do with your dad). It's in Star's room in Season 1, the one which suggests Marco to go to the Blood Moon Ball.

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How many plot threads actually had a well-plotted, intelligent resolution in this show?

There's your answer. One part of the plot isn't gonna buck the overall trend.

Not according to some people.
desuarchive.org/co/thread/113968940/#113998985

and her daughter committed genocide but didnt get consequences for her actions.

thing are not fair, get over it.

That's the cool thing about committing genocide; if you do it right there shouldn't be anyone left to stop you.

- Mom, who is my dad?
- You don't need to know that.
- Ok... but how come you mever married him? Did you hate him?
- No, I think he is great. But I wanted to teach you a queen needs nobody but herself; men are useless anyway so a king is just a waste of space in the throne room.
- Can I at least know if he loves me or was I unwanted?
- I love you and that's all I need to know. Also I think I might have sent him check other dimensions... you might never see him in your whole life
- Uh... Uh...
- Don't cry. Only men cry.
- Got it. I won't get married then.
- For fucks sake! You have to marry for political reasons, to assure the kingdom's alliances and obtain benefits.
- Guess that make sense, shall I make a list of candidates and what can they offer.
- No need. You are marrying that fatso who treates you like shit
- Shastakan?! Uncle Jushtin already married into his family (because you forced him) and they gave us shit. A random rock from the garden would be better for the kingdom!
- Not listening. I'm the queen and I can do wathever I want.
- ...
- ...
- I'm going to fucking ride every single monster cock in this kingdom and mix their cum with your breakfast every morning, bitch.
- What did you say sweety? I got distracted thinking on how much I must rise the taxes this time to pay for this war.

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What the fuck, that was the explanation behind the talking sea captain portrait?
That's honestly a pretty big letdown.

Don't know if it helps, but it works with a password too.
If you ask the captain permission to go on board the portrait opens and a secret corridor shows up.

The corridor comunicates the whole castle and has access to some old ruins beneath it and the tower of magic.

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I love you guys.

That makes so much sense.

I would have married Eclipsa either to the Lucitor heir,if not then someone actually important in the monster nobility.

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Love you too, user

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Also I decided to look back over the wand scenes in A Spell with No Name just 'cause, and if anyone's curious here's all the canon non-spellbook queens' cheek emblems that we know of:

1. arrow pointing upwards. As in the "bow and arrow" kind of arrow
2. teardrop
3. five-pointed star
4. seashell. Could maybe also be a Lucky-Charms-style balloon with no string
5. either a tulip or flame. Hard to tell since it's just a symbol
6. cross, or maybe plus sign with rounded edges. The Christian Queen
7? hand/trident that I only saw half of. There were similar patterns on the walls and it's possible I mistook one of them for a symbol on a door. Or not, and both are the same
8? some weird thing I can't make out. It looks like the seashell/balloon with a spiked top. It could be Eclipsa's spade, but that also appeared in the episode and I think looked more distinct than that + was in a different place

Colors not included because some known queens' marks were also shown, and many had inaccurate colors, meaning the color on the door doesn't necessarily correspond to the color they would've actually had (ex. Moon's diamond wasn't fuchsia on her door).

Before the mewman queens arrived there were monster ones, you can see the portrait of a monster with a wand and cheek marks in the Magic Tower.

Lyric was the 3rd mewman queen but 26th counting the natives who lived with the magic lake before. The secret burnt along the castle.

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The refugees actually wanted to fight the kingdom and support the coup.
Of course internationally that would made Mewni a Pariah State.
She still got screwed by Mina, whose mission was genocide and not a coup.
She can get with that in the principle that Mewni don't exist anymore and put all the blame on Mina.

That's... really plausible