"Why can't women understand that Harley Quinn is not a good role model? She is a VILLAIN!"

>"Why can't women understand that Harley Quinn is not a good role model? She is a VILLAIN!"
>"DAMN, Dr. Doom is so awesome. I really look up to him, such an awesome character! Thank you, Marvel, for creating a character as relatable as Dr. Doom!"

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You’re crying in the rain, pally.

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Tommy, you really need some electro-shock therapy. Maybe it will give you superpowers.

I bet Benny browses /fa/ with that hideous outfit.

Harley needs the joker to do anything popular

ya know, people should really chill out with fictional characters.
lately I had seen people unable to differentiate between cartoon and reality...
its like they are unable to understand the core concept of what a cartoon is.

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>"What, you don't think that Dr. Doom is the most relatable character of all? Then you need shock-therapy"
Is Dr. Doom-worshiping the most mainstream case of large-scale branwashing?

>Yes

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You know, I honestly would not be surprised if it was revealed that Tommy was just some random hobo all along.

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Man I really want a fallout show. Imagine.
>Genndy tartakovsky 10 episode Fallout show.
>Its episodic using some established charecters and some new ones.
>MC is a wastelander who does some new quest each episode
>Ending is the perspective of a Gang leader and his gang getting hunted by the MC

Bro, no one advertises Dr. Doom as "a model of behavior". Never.
He's a great villain and Harley never had a chance to be, since they decided that she should be an anti-hero.
Even Doom's anti-hero moments were never meant to make people want to be him.

Doom yes

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>Bro, no one advertises Dr. Doom as "a model of behavior". Never.
Were you around here during Hickman's FF? Hickman's Avengers? Bendis Infamous?

Yeah. Dr Doom is awesome. But people aren't holding Dr Doom up as a role model to young men, are they?

Yes, and?

>Even Doom's anti-hero moments were never meant to make people want to be him.
But how can you be so sire about that?

Then you ought to have read comments such as this

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>Dr. Doom is so awesome

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Name 1 (one) villain more worshiped on Yas Forums than Dr. Doom.

I will wait.

Joker?

people want to FUCK Dr Doom, not be him

Thanos, Magneto, Lex Luthor, Joker. Punisher.

Show me one post made on Yas Forums about how Joker is the best written character of all time.

So you're ignoring the huge qualifying factor in that statement?

>If he gained some humility

That's the thing. Doom is a good role model in many ways. He's intellgient, he's driven, he's focused, he's hard working, but he's also arrogant, self-obsessed, cruel, etc. That user isn't saying Doctor Doom, as he was there would be a good role model, he was saying that if he changed his ways and got Mjolnir to accept him as worthy (a VERY tall order for Doom), then Odin would use him as a passive aggressive role model.

Which leads me onto the other pont. Secondly, he's saying ODIN would show his kids a real role model, this being Odin, who both in mythology and in the comics is shown to have pretty different values then modern society (even going back a few decades). Not that Doom IS a real role model to real like people. That user isn't saying that Doom is a real life role model that real boys and men should seek to emulate, he's saying that Doom, if he became humble, if he changed his character and ways to be considered worthy of Mjolnir could be used by Odin to basically nag his kids. Not that Doom, even with that qualifying 'if he gained some humility' would be a good role model in general. Unlike Quinn which has been lauded as a female role model despite still having all of her negative traits, murdering people, etc but just because she's no longer written as a Joker fangirl.

Also don't tell me you actually remembered that off hand and didn't just search for "Doom Role Model" in the archvies.

you can admire a character without retconning them to be pointlessly sympathetic and therefore ruin their entire appeal.

Who is trusted to raise the children of heroes: Harley Quinn or Dr. Doom?

I was just guessing on joker, but you know how there are so many joker fags on Yas Forums
Punisher is more like an Anti Hero
the rest are right though

Dr Doom in a heart beat. I wouldn't let Harlie take care of a cactus let alone a child.

I don't think Doom ever killed any kids, whereas Harlie had that comic where she sold thousands of children bombs disguised as a video game and detonated them.

>Dr Doom in a heart beat.
Retardón, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about heroes.

How is it that Harley is the one "pointlessly sympathetic" when it's Marvel that portrays Doom as a admirable hero that is trusted by Marvel heroes to raise their children?

Or you're one of those guys that believe that this is good writing?

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Harley was never pointlessly sympathetic user, she was stuck in an abusive relationship by a manipulative psychopath.

I would rather trust doom, Doom seems smart, and could teach my kid how to become batman, harley would rape my kid and cut his limbs off

>I don't think Doom ever killed any kids
All those universes that Doom has destroyed, and none had kids in it?

Is this what makes Doom such an well-written character?

That comic was wrong though in characterizing Harley like that though.

No, I don't think DC or Marvel has done good writing in decades, but that's beside the point. Doom would give a child entrusted to him a good education, both mental and physical and would be an excellent teacher of whatever subject matter you would need. As for him passing on his evil ways, none of my siblings, including myself, are close to our parents politically or ideologically.

>didn't just search for "Doom Role Model" in the archvies.
Judging by his reply on the Ivy post yesterday, that's exactly what he does.

Yes.

>harley would rape my kid and cut his limbs off
No she wouldn't.

Bitch is crazy, if joker said to do so, she would, cause joker knows it would make batman fucking rage

A daily reminder that Punisher was a villain from the Spider-Man gallery.

>Doom would give a child entrusted to him a good education, both mental and physical and would be an excellent teacher of whatever subject matter you would need.
Are all Doomfags baby-fascists, or are you a special case?

I'm not a fascist and I don't like Dr Doom. You asked me to choose between two options. I choose.

Harley Quinn is just women's Batman/Superman/Spider-Man
Male power fantasy: Be the hero
Female power fantasy: Sperg out without suffering consequences
Harley Quinn's popularity is just a result of what is already there.

That's not true though because Harley left the joker because he was being an edge fag.

oh, thanks, I didnt know that, makes since though, knowing some mass maniac with guns that kills non stop, is he a villians of spidermans?

Harley sounds like the type of mother who would let her daughter be abused by her new husband.

He's a sympathetic character who gets tricked into thinking Spiderman is a bad guy.

TKJ threads, TDK threads, White Knight threads
In Injustice, shortly after helping nuke Metropolis, Harley was around Black Canary when her baby was delivered and flirting with Billy Batson.

>I'm not a fascist and I don't like Dr Doom.
I don't believe you in either case.

>You asked me to choose between two options. I choose.
I didn't ask you that. I asked why Marvel heroes trust Dr. Doom to raise their children while DC heroes don't trust Harley to raise theirs, if DC is the one that pretends that Harley is a hero.

Out of that list, I'd say Punisher is the only one normies worship. But that wasn't the question....

yeah but harley is crazy for joker, like cutting off her clit to please joker crazy
thats fair, but thats post harley when she leaves joker
Makes since

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Harley Quinn and Doom are hardly comparable on a moral level.

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>TKJ threads, TDK threads, White Knight threads
Haven't seen the Joker being called "the best-written character of all time" in none of those.

Thank you for confirming you're a liar, opinion dismissed.

>like cutting off her clit to please joker crazy
She never did that though.

Tommy's a retard, he thinks everyone's comparable to Dr. Doom, and he doesn't even read the threads he calls "Doom worship" past the first post.

I know, but she would, if it pleases joker, she is fucking crazy retarded for joker,

Purple Man. People can't shut up how he's the best, scariest villain ever.

Harley Quinn
>Former henchwoman of a local gang leader

Dr. Doom
>Fascist dictator that rapes his own citizens and wants to destroy a family because the patriarch was smarter than him at college

Damn, Harley sure is a monster!

Thats actually a good point. Perhaps what we're just seeing is DC hitting gold with their first super sperg. Much like how Marvel did with the Hulk for males. Harley is it for females.

>Forgetting the best villain.

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More like
>Harley is more or less a character
>Dr. Doom is a Mary Sue who received the power of God for no fucuking reason

To be honest an incel villain that's played straight without any of the "look at this loser xd" stuff would be interesting to see. Especially if was a rise and fall situation where we see how the guy came to be the villian before going berzerk

Because Dr Doom is predictable. He'll raise up your son and never hurt him IF he thinks that it's going to show off his superiority. He's incredibly competent and more over he's alway eager to show it off. He's also got a weird fucked up code of honour. Furthermore he's so tied up into the Fantastic Four as a peronal figure that it's cheap drama for him to be raising children associated with them. It makes sense in character to some extent, even if I think it's bad writing and hackneyed drama.

And why do you think I'm a fascist? Have you never encountered people who might be awful in many ways but extremely good at doing things? Doom fits the archtype of the strict and not-fun or warm boarding school Headmaster who despite that is quite a skilled educator and can bring up children fairly well, albeit in a strict, regimented sense. Especially if, as in the comic, it feeds into his own ego. But the main reason why Marvel did it is because they love doing soap opera drama, Doom has been shown to have a weird sense of twisted honour, and is extremely competent, plus given the context of why its happening, he's also going to have an entire country to defend the child in question because that's the big drama going on here because these writers are hacks.

Anyway, Harley Quinn, in contrast, is a literally mentally ill criminal involved in horrendous crimes and even when she left the Joker, she still does fucked up shit on a daily basis. She can't even look after herself, let alone a chilkd. You could at most get an issue or two out of it, where her inability to do so is played up for laughs, before it just falls apart. It's a silly concept to begin with and goes completely against her character. Furthermore, who is she associated with enough to actually have it make sense, or create drama or more? Doom's been fucking with Reed's family for longer than you or I have been alive combined. Who's Harley close to aside from Poison Ivy and the Joker?

Damnit, I forgot, But I wont be a boob like you

Certainly better than Dr. Doom, but I don't recall ever seeing any "SIVANA WORSHIP" threads.

Meanwhile, how many "DOOM WORSHIP" threads we have per day? Two? Three?

>hideous

None.

I have literally never known a Dr. Doom fan. I've known tons of Batfans, a few Superfans, and I used to know a dude who damn near worshiped Cyclops.
Where are all these Doomfaggots supposed to be, Yas Forums?

Yes, Harley totally NEVER did anything wrong, man, it's not like she injured and murdered a bunch of people for petty reasons, tried to rape Nightwing and Batman, trained child soldiers, blew up thousands of kids with rigged consoles, naaah, she's just the sweet little henchgirl, same as she was in Batman TAS.
I'm starting to run out of patience with your bullshit, Tommy. Shut the fuck up. Your point is null, and your words are meaningless. It's just noise to me. It's like a fucking mosquito stuck in my eardrum.

So from a literary and comic writing sense, there's no drama except for pure cheap telenovella soap opera out-of-the-blue crap.

Reed Richards having to accept Doom is taking care of his child at least feeds back into the central conflict between the two. Who's son or daughter would fit Harley Quinn from a story telling perspective? Hell DC keeps rebotting the setting and getting rid of heroes families repeatedly too, so there's not even that many children to choose from.

In Tommy's head, rent free.