Why do american comics never deal with certain subject matter? Or for that matter...

Sports is not common in American fiction in general. They don't even make sports movies anymore. They also don't translate sports manga here unless it is hard gay fujoshit. Which is too bad because good sports manga are probably my favorite comics.

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its almost like content creators actually dont do anything besides make and watch the same shitty content

well we have lots and lots of police detective stories dont?
punk girl detctive, bones detective, bald guy detective, supernatural detectives

>punk girl detctive
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>>I have never seen an American comic book that is about sports
There's no money in that, aside from the various sports commissions having a vice grip on the nutsack of how their athletes are marketed

Breh, they're all basically battle shonen with a shallow coat of paint.
Also Americans have this weird notion that nerds can't like sports

Sports are boring and gay. Fictional stories about sports are more boring and more gay because they take out the only interesting part which is the real life competition.

>why make a comic about sports when you can watch them as they are since they are still popular in the current year?
Because I want to read a story and not just watch a match.
I don't care about sport but I've read a few sport manga, watch a few sport movies and enjoyed them because it's not just sport, it's the dramatization of sport. With characters I'm interested in, which make me root for them like a real team will never because I don't care if those real people win or loose.

But there are sport movies. Wether it's about one guy or girl life or a whole team. I, Tonya came out 3 years ago and was praised.

As someone who does watch and follow some sports, commentators are guilty of forcing dumbass narratives into shit and putting those at the forefront of the spectacle instead of the sport itself. And lots of fans love that lameass drama.
I get it, sports can be boring, but I personally don't give a shit that the guy wearing number 15 is pissed at number 8 because he implied something on Instagram. That shit is gay, I just want to watch grown men play silly ball games.

>watching or listening to narrations of REAL sporting events

Air Bud and Moneyball and Space Jame all the other fictional sports movies exist. It just seems to stop at actual comics for some reason. Not sure why.

The average sports fan is exactly like you nowadays though, that's why they spend more time stalking athletes on Instagram than actually watching the sport.

Comics are niche to begin with, and a sizeable share of the readerbase is pretty close to the caricatural "sportsball and jocks are dumb", which means sports comics are even more niche.

Just popping in to say Ippo would absolutely HEEM Joe

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It's easy to forget just how much variety floppies had when they were still magazine anthologies.

>but the American zeitgeist regarding sports has always been about watching or listening to narrations of REAL sporting events rather than read a story about them.
What the fuck are you talking about. There's a shit load of fictional sport movies and stories in America. Using OP's boxing example, even if you ignore Rocky there was Joe Palooka that had a strip which ran for decades and had 12 films.

Because sports are cool
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I don't wanna overextend myself and I know what you mean but the truth is, a lot of those "weird genre" like sports or board gaming manga are the japanese equivalent to say, a Wildcat comic.
It's still pretty much drenched in shonen tropes, but instead of being a ninja or a cosmic warrior the dude is a footballer or a go player. I don't give a fuck about the make-up in a manga (or capeshit, for that matter), if it's derivative it will be derivative whatever pretty dressings you put it on. Instead of doing a comic about how the pits and heights of a football career, or a work about the cultural differences a famous japanese athlete would have being dropped into western celebrity culture, dudes would rather draw Tsubasa learning a new secret fireball curved kick technique, which is no different at all from silver age Superman pulling powers out of his ass or Goku becoming the most powerfulest powerful warrior of the perfect form powerful warrior society.
All of this is shit masturbatory wish-fulfillment and while I do think it's ok to read it, it's not okay to delude yourself otherwise.

We should have never stopped with Anthologies. The industry is a lot healthier in Europe and Japan

Ippo is a shit manga and Joe is dead, so it really doesn't matter.

Nah Ippo is pretty great

Some sports manga are the exception to the rule. Slam Dunk; the main character has the talent, but not the skills. He starts pretending to like the sport for a girl that he likes, the he grew to like the sport for real, then he learns to be a team player, but one who still has losses and makes mistakes, but continues to grow as both an athlete and person. The guy who did Slam Dunk went on to do an even more detailed manga with Vagabond.

I know both works, but even both Vagabond and Slam Dunk (which I enjoy) still have some of the problems I have, particularly with pacing (which I understand where it comes from, it just doesn't suit my tastes, very much like western decompression).
Vagabond in particular will often go near the "we thought he was as strong as he could be! but he's even strongererer now!", particularly in the beginning. Which brings up another point: yeah, there are, indeed, some good sports manga out there. But then there are also good american and european sports comics as well, as seen Whoa! Nellie in particular is one of my favourite graphic novels (if the term suits it) and I'm not even into wrestling.

Does the Slam Dunk anime have pacing issues? I grew in a country that aired it dubbed, while the manga was my only experience with the story.

I dont watch anime but most anime I've watched have the same retarded cliffhangers and stretching-moments-for-impact so common to manga (with the compounded insult of working even worse in animated form).

We shouldn't have, but it wasn't a single conscious decision that led to it. Not to mention this is the result of the industry changing over time as the market changed. The industry as we know it is doing poorly, but comics as a medium has other ways of surviving.

Japs only did them to cope with their depression and the shit way they treathed others because of the Nuke's depression.

What about anime not based on manga?

Please read the first sentence of my post.

Westerners are being conditioned into eternal children.

yeah because Love & Rockets is surely more childish than Hajime no Ippo or Tsubasa Chronicles

That explains why they only read capeshit and manga.

Sport has become pro wrestling. We truly live in the darkest timeline.

Damn. If footballs suddenly materialized Peppermint Patty's face, I would've actually been interested in the sport.

get fugged normalfag
no one is safe from the overlevaraging 0% interest rate globo homo menace ruining everything, your shit deserves it anyway, fucking "charity" organzation

There's always a narrative, mostly rivalry from the past with other team, or fighting for a good place on the ranking and don't forget the local loyalties of every team

I'm not that into sports and I'm coming from a BRHue perspective but I've talked about it to my dad, and while back then such rivalries amongst players would be either ignored or chastised, it seems these days some sports networks almost incentivize them so they can generate more buzz around any given game.

Breh, this has nothing to do with your emotional lesbian Boogeyman, it's just sports people getting bored after watching hundreds of mostly meaningless games over the years.

That shit's pretty forced and gay too. I don't care for the tribalism, I just like the game itself.

Well, back in the day I understand the horror and crime, even dramatizations of true crime stories were big comic sellers in like the 20's up to the 40's.

It's because of the Comics Code.
Pre CC the Comics industry was basically an incredibly diverse market filled with pulps, including quite a lot of boxing based content (If you want some old boxing stories, Robert E Howard wrote a fair few), detective stories, horror, sci-fi.
The works basically.

The Cape writers of the era helped promote the code then used it to smother their competition, creating a mono-culture in which Comics and Capes became so tightly bound that they're almost interchangable.

That's also why Eurocomics have more variety, they told the CC and the fuckers trying to push it on them to ingest cum until they saw the light and so remained wild, wooly and free to write and draw what they saw fit.

Fortunately with the upcoming death of Marvel & DC we might, MIGHT get a chance for some clawback. Who knows.
A man can dream after all right?

We need one of those Yas Forums style 'Never forget what they took from you' memes but with pre Comic book code pulps.

American nerd culture is just very exclusive, especially when compared to manga culture which is pretty ubiquitous and can afford to appeal to different tastes.

Comics used to be similar but the CCA did away with everything but the blandest superhero comics and that legacy lives on. I read that Alan Moore meant for Watchmen to be the death of superhero comics because he wanted comics to go back to appealing to a wider audience but ironically the opposite happened, gritty superheroes became the monoculture.

>that explains why they only read (genre) and (entire industry)
?

Bruh...
I want you to go back in time and read some of those comics that were taken out by the CCA.
No I'm dead serious.

what about the edgy 90s? all the zines and "alternative" stuff, where if it wasnt about serial killers, or being some faggy "it doesnt count cause theyre like demons monsters or vampires and stuff" capeshit pulled, it was shit like peter sotos where its a comic with literal interviews from actual serial killers

Americans would rather watch IRL sports and read about the history of them over a made-up story about them, and as others have observed- sports and other off the wall manga are rather a side-effect of manga consumption in japan over the overall commercial viability of these series.
Fucking otakus will read anything and are conditioned to be good paypiggies on top of jap artists being conditioned to work their dicks off just to live as a brokedick nigga.

How are underground 'zines and niche comics going against what he said?
Just because the comics code became basically nonexistent by the 90s doesn't mean the big 2 and their capeshit didn't dominate the scene up until then, and continued to affect mainstream American perception of comics to this day.

Anthologies have been dying in Europe in the last couple of decades.

What's this comics code everyone keeps mentioning?

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What about now though? There's certainly space for non-cape stuff.

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>being this fucking casual
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority

how would scholastic feel about a tranny serial killer? or would that hurt their hawking crap at school book fairs

not everyone treats america like its the center of the universe

A lot of people neglect the sales from comics published through traditional book publishers. It's a shame, though, since they seem to be more reliable, but wouldn't have nearly the amount of output.

Well first of all this sounds like a really shittu system and second of all I dont live in america so I'm not familiar with the way comics work over there and hell I'm not sure how comics work where I live

There is space, yes, but the north american comics market has been dominated by capeshit for so long that non-cape comics are hard to sell- the cultivated mainstream audience for north american comics are all capeshit fans and dont buy non-cape comics, and anybody that would be an audience for non-cape comics isnt exposed to them because they don't browse comic shops since 99% of the time, its capeshit. Chrissakes I can't recall the last time I've bothered to go into a comics shop over going online and ordering specifically what I want because the stores are just chock-full of capeshit and capeshit accessories, and my local one stopped carrying old shadowrun and other TTRPG shit so I just stopped going. Hell even as a kid I went to it just so I could ogle the miniatures and pick up the monthly Toyfare.