Is Rusty a better father than Jonas was?

Undeniably so.

Not really, no. They're both careless and amoral. Rusty is just more pitiable because he was a victim, but he's still continuing the cycle.

Nope. Hank and Dean were the same age for a good...four years or so, iirc? Season 2, you find out how old the originals would have been, and it's something like a 5 year difference.

Yes but it's not very hard to be a better father than Jonas.

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Jonas allowed Action Man to go anywhere near Rusty. Need I remind you of how Action Man used to wake Rusty up by holding a gun to his head and pulling the trigger? Then he'd whisper "not today Rusty"

And Rusty allowed Hank and Dean to die numerous times.
>but muh clones
And Jonas did the same thing.

Exactly the clones are the same thing but given the revelation about Rusty being a clone it's not too much of a jump to see that Action Man killed quite a few of them with his wake up stunt yet Jonas didn't stop him.

>Is Rusty a better father than Jonas was?
Yes, but probably not by choice. If he were just as successful as Jonas sr. was he'd have probably been as bad as.
>Well, we won't know until we find out how many Rusty clones Jonas killed.
None, most likely. The Rusty clone we know now is more than likely the prototype of his cloning tech. Otherwise he wouldn't have had the teratoma problem that Jonas and Ben later fixed. Rusty himself created a lab-full of Hank and Dean clones because when he inherited his father's estate Jonas Sr. and Ben had already perfected the technology.

I really hope that corona isn't going to fuck Doc up, with his declining health and all

It won't come out until 2021.

I don't think he's declining. He was really at a bad point around the time season 7 came out, like more serious than apparently what was said at the time. But his situation has improved, he's still in a lot of pain if he tries to walk however.

And he let Sgt. Hatred near them, a man who admitted to his face that he's a pedophile and did molest them before this.

What even happened to his legs? I know he's in a wheelchair, but was it an accident or is it just genetic along with his pigment issues and inner-ear problem?

Rusty has killed far more children than Jonas has.

They are both bad fathers.

He hasn't fully specified, but he mentions that the problem is to do with his spine, his T5 Vertebrae.

It's probably a side effect of his lifestyle/daily habits. The guy smokes a shitload and probably doesn't eat enough. I've seen this shit happen to people who give into these kinds of vices too much where their bodies just deteriorate. It also doesn't help that he's in his 50s now. He's still carrying on doing the same things he was doing 30 years ago and his body simply can't handle it anymore.

That you know of!

Huh okay thanks. I knew he had lost the genetic lottery and also that he lives the typical artist 's life, but not the specific illness.

He's... more capable, I guess? He's not AS dismissive of the boys as Jonas was of Rusty, and they still have their moments together - but he's still neglectful, self-imposing, and lets them roam around superheroes and supervillains without much of a care.
..Actually, do we ever actually SEE Jonas be an asshole father to Rusty? What if Jonas' asshole attitude is just Rusty making mountains out of molehills?

Rusty has self awareness at the very least. That automatically makes him ahead of Jonas Sr. any day period.

jonas was terrible in the therapy session

Jonas wasn't aware he was missing when he was kidnapped. He also wanted to share his body against his wishes before finally being destroyed.

I believe so. He's not the best dad, or even the best person, but better than Jonas on both accounts IMO. Rusty never had Brock and Billy pull down the boys' pants and hit their dicks with shrinkrays in front of pretty girls. Rusty never cucked his best friend and blackmailed him into servitude. Rusty is harsh, but he just wants to prepare his boys for the harsh world he grew up in.

Some saying I'm not remembering accurately: Parenthood is just a challenge where your parents hit you in the face, and then you have to try and hit your kid softer than your parents did. Continue until bloodline death.

No shit, but Jonas was a lot worse.

Rusty is in fact maybe the only person in this entire universe who dont follow all the crazy bullshit of super science and the guild/OSI crap.

Something like that. Remember that Rusty complained about Jonas inviting models and prostitutes to his 16th birthday, but then he turned around and did the same thing for the boys' prom. And then turned them into horrible fly monsters. Rusty WANTS to be a better parent than Jonas but he has no idea how, and wasn't forced to really start learning until after the clones were destroyed.

He has Ménière's disease which is an inner ear disorder that affects both hearing and balance so I suspect he took a bad fall and injured his spine. Their studio is on an upper floor of an ancient meat packing factory so I wouldn't be shocked if he fell down some stairs.

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>..Actually, do we ever actually SEE Jonas be an asshole father to Rusty?
You mean when he was Rusty's therapist?
You mean when he let action man shrinkray his dick on his birthday?
You mean when action man used to put an unloaded gun to rusty's head and pull the trigger?
You mean when action man savagely beat a man to death with a pistol in front of rusty?
You mean when action man tossed a fake grenade and the flag stabbed Rusty in the kidney?
Action man is a lot more traumatic to be around than Jonas now that I'm making lists.

True, but someone who cared about their kid wouldn't let Action Man near him.
Also Jonas made Rusty kill a man when he was 10, with a house key.

Obviously, Unlike Jonas he tries to connect with his children, the time he spends with Dean and Hank is out of choice.

Jonas probably only clone rusty to keep up public appearances and fame
Rusty brings his kids back cause he cares about them

That, and for their organs.

After the Blue Morpho arc there really isn't any doubt to how shitty a person Jonas was. Even if Rusty is being melodramatic the fact he even has memories like that to be melodramatic about is fucked up. I'm sure in Jonas' narcissistic mind he was the perfect father to Rusty.

Will 21 ever get to do cool shit again?

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Well steroids will do that to you.

Wait what?

Rusty is trying to be a good father even if he fails miserably, Jonas didn't even do that

>Jonas probably only clone rusty to keep up public appearances and fame
Not likely. Jonas cloned Rusty because he had no issue using his son as a lab-rat to test run his new cloning tech. It was likely that after the prototype clone that he actively kept that one alive hence why the one we know in the show is ridden with PTSD. He didn't have the luxury of having been cloned a shitload of times because the technology was imperfect and because the learning beds hadn't been integrated yet to transfer synaptic data. Thus he wasn't spared all the traumatic shit that he had to endure and thus had to survive all of it. Hank and Dean were spared it and thus got to start off from when they were last in the beds as far as their consciousnesses were concerned. Rusty just cloned his sons to keep up appearances so that he could keep social services and the police off his ass.

will [as] ever greenlight 50 eps of this in one shot like they did for reddit and meme

No because the way the show is made will still leave long gaps between the seasons. Doc and Jackson don't want a room full of writers and an army of animators, it's a three-foot passion project and will be until the last episode.

Doc fucked up his spine and is partially paralyzed.

>three-foot
Fuck, TREE FORT

Well Rusty lets AM around his kids too, but at least Rodney seems to have mellowed out a good bit since his baby-killing days.
Come to think of it, did Rusty specifically want Hank to be sent to live with Action Man?

He has to be now, with their "safety net" gone.

Before that, kinda. If he really didn't love them he'd have left them dead.

I think he is, but he also has no idea how to be a great father himself because he had to learn from Jonas's example. He just tries to do a little better.

I imagine Rusty was kidnapped and killed by supervillains a lot. And probably also the random trap in a hidden temple killed a few. But rusty being a little kid in the early 60s when Kennedy was alive, still a little kid in the early 70s when Jackie O remarried, and then going to college in the early 80s shows he lost almost 10 years in constantly being cloned over and over again.

Oh god yes sure he's done some things like knocking up a teenager but he will never be as bad as his father in comparison he at least tries to make his kids have normal lives to a degree and uses his experiences as a boy adventurer to try and make sure they don't turned as messed up.

Rusty hardly ever cared about Hank. Dean was who he was grooming to take over the family business, anyway, so Hank living with a geriatric Action Man probably didn't bother Rusty in the slightest.

I think Rusty wanted the boys to be with guardians that would absolutely murder anyone who tried to come after them. Even if Rodney and Horace are complete assholes they would keep the boys alive.

April 2021 was the last target date from what I remember but with the Rona and Doc possibly being vulnerable, I wouldn't expect it till summer/fall 2021
Hank also admired Brock so much that Rusty's logic would be that he'd want to be with the "Next best thing", which is Action Man. Both are complete psychos, but Brock is at least in control of most of it.

If the Master talking shit about Deans DNA to Trianna is anything to go by, Rusty didn't die nearly as much as Dean and Hank.

But rusty looks like shit, and went bald early
he also had to live with a tumor

Then that means the Master was lying to Trianna, probably to give her that extra push to actually learn what she's capable of. OR the amount of times Rusty was cloned sort of stacked on Hank and Dean, making their genetic problems even worse.