Now that the dust has settled, who was in the wrong, and what the hell were the writers thinking?

how was captain America in the right

>BOTH Civil Wars
>This is what Starkfags actually believe

>who was in the wrong,

Anyone who asks "who was in the wrong, Tony or Carol" when the answer is "The writing and characterizations in Civil War II fucking suck worse than the first Marvel Civil War, how can you even debate who was right?"

it endangered the families and loved ones of those who had registered which were now easily discoverable by hackers and black market info traders, it made it mandatory for heroes to obey the government which means being prevented from doing the right thing if it would negatively impact said government's interests, and it made it too easy for villains to infiltrate hero groups under false pretenses.

Secret Invasion and Norman Osborn's attack on Asgard only worked because the SHRA was in place and those events exposed the flaws in the plan.

On top of that, the Government in Marvel comics has proved time and time again they shouldn't be truste with the lives of Superheroes.

It continues to be the worst of the "Heroes Vs Heroes" crossovers because while the others where retarded and the ones after Civil War where trend chasing. CW II is the only one that manages to be a completely braindead movie-tie in that I doubt even the suits asked for

Big government bad.

>have to be subservient to the government
>the one who is well known for being criminally retarded

>Carol is wrong, but Marvel won't let that happen because she needs to be marketable so she's supposed to be right and looks like a psychopath
2 of the books I read Ms’ Marvel and Spider-Woman did I did see what's wrong with And she did gave martial law power to a sociopath.

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What side was Thor on? That tends to be the right side.

Why exactly were spiderman and she hulk(a lawyer) on the side against due process?

How did that work out in Secret Empire
Unless...

>did I did see what's wrong with
Did you have a stroke?

CW 1 - wasn't around for that, fucked up Tony's shit hard when he returned after it was over

Didn't partake in Civil War II due to Femthor.

>Thor was away from both of them

Well there you go, that's the correct side.

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>>did I did see what's wrong withDid you have a stroke?
2 of the books I read Ms’ Marvel and Spider-Woman I did see what's Carol did wrong with the power to stop future crimes,And she did gave martial law power to a sociopath.

>didnt even partake in the mcu civil war
How does thor do it?

It was the black Spiderman. He will always side against the law.

Yeah you're right, let's just allow those unstable militias and cults to keep endangering the lives of quintillions with their universal lvl powers. Oh but it's okay when those militias do it like when the X-men murdered an innocent man because he was "too powerful", it would be better if Matthew Malloy was treated by the goverment rather than literally murdered.

2 of the books I read Ms’ Marvel and Spider-Woman I did see what's Carol did wrong with the power to stop future crimes,And she did gave martial law power to a sociopath.

>implying the US government being in charge would minimize civilian casualties

The is only one way to ensure the government does what's best for everyone.

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A cringey literal autist who forced everyone to roleplay dungeons and dragons while the universe died?

>it would be better if Matthew Malloy was murdered by the government instead of the X-Men
because I don't believe you're retarded enough to not know that's what would happen fuck if not Shield then some other secret group would've done it Amanda Waller style

Carol

>X-men take him
>they have absolutely no idea how to help him but keep him around anyway
>his powers get out of control and some people die
>rather than calming him down they scream at the traumatized fucker
>they murder him
>people will never find his body, in fact no one will remember him

Yes, worse than the goverment. And then the same fuckers almost destroyed the world with the Phoenix.

Everyone was wrong because everyone was out of character and this sucks

Jen got coma'd right before they really started picking sides and left after she woke up, she only helped at first because it was Thanos. Dazzler even calls Carol an idiot for thinking Jen would agree with her.

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Carol was in the wrong and I'm saying this as a fan. However, the way Tony was written may as well make him the one in the wrong, given the continuous mistakes and oversights.
Actually, everyone was written horribly and in no way what one would expect from a confrontation of this sort, the only good tie-in was the Ultimates because it was an inner conflict among some of the most powerful characters over ideological differences, all the while T'challa watched and Thanos plotted his escape from containment, until they had to unite forces and kill him for good.

But yeah it was terrible, no one made a good point in the whole thing. Well yes, Steve did, but he was also HydraCap, so.

Tony was 100% wrong and got what he fucking deserved.

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Here's the thing that everyone fucking overlooks because they are made that Carol is the "bad guy":

What the fuck was Iron Man trying to accomplish?

No really, what was Iron Man's goal in this series. Was it just "Don't listen to the future seer?" Then what should they do with the vision that were outright being implanted on the heroes' minds? Just ignore them? Just continually ignore the future seer whenever he puts these visions in people's heads?
Because the obvious outcome of this book would be Tony Stark trying to kill the future seer, but Bendis didn't want the character he was currently writing to be seen in the wrong. So then what was Tony trying to accomplish? He would rally a massive army of heroes to attack Carol Danvers at the Traskillion for...what reason? Property damage? Tony Stark was purely fighting for the sake of fighting. Especially in the climax. Tony Stark was just attacking Carol so she wouldn't arrest Miles, but again, what was his goal? To kill her so that nobody would listen to the future seer?

I have gotten into arguments with people who defended this book, and yet nobody could with the straight answer explain what Tony Stark's goal was!

>who was in the wrong,
Bendis

>and what the hell were the writers thinking?
That he finally got around to watching an old Tom Cruise movie and it inspired him, and also that he wanted to make it about racial profiling somehow, he wanted to 'kill' Tony so Riri could replace him, and give Miles a Hands Up Don't Shoot moment.

You want to know another thing that sucks about CW II? When you look back to the first Civil War, there are so many cameos in that book. Every time I look through it, I can spot more characters in the background. They actually dug deep with who they got appearances from.
But with CW II? It's the same fucking lineup that's been headlining Marvel comics for the past 5 years. The Movie Avengers, the GOTG with Angela, the O5 X-Men, the Ultimates, all the characters that were already in circulation in every single event after Secret Wars. It made the surprise reveals really lame in the comic as well! "Oh look, the GOTG are joining the fight. It's not like they've been the 2nd most used team since the MCU films."

There was no effort put into CW II. It was Marvel saying "Let's make a cashgrab of our overrated event in the most lazy way". Thank God that the Civil War movie came and went, so nobody at Marvel brings up Civil War ever again because nobody cares anymore! If only Phase 4 of the MCU could get started so we stop resorting to Thanos and those damn infinity Stones every video game already!

>What the fuck was Iron Man trying to accomplish?
Beat the shit out of Carol for getting Rhodie killed using the pretense of stopping Carol from going full minority report dystopia.

>What the fuck was Iron Man trying to accomplish?
Stop arresting people for crimes they haven't yet committed. Stop killing Bruce Banner for something he hasn't done yet.

As retarded as Civil War 2 was, Tony's goal of "reeeeeeeeee shut it down" is clearer than Captain America's goal in Civil War 1 where he wants to get the law changed somehow.

>It made the surprise reveals really lame in the comic as well! "Oh look, the GOTG are joining the fight. It's not like they've been the 2nd most used team since the MCU films."

It also just feels weird bringing them in. I mean, I get that Ulysses S. Homer or whatever is an Inhuman who could become important on a cosmic level based on the idea, but it feels like their involvement is forced. When Civil War I happened it involved earthbound characters for the most part.

But all his fights were kind of meaningless and aimless. I get that he wanted to stop the arrests and such, but he was just starting fights for the sake of fighting, not trying to accomplish anything with the fights. Like say, break the people out who were arrested.
Again, ignore the visions the future seer was implanting into your head isn't really a solid solution.

That brings up another point. With CW I, it made sense why so many heroes were involved because the government was saying "Join us or go to jail". With CW II, we have no reason to understand why heroes would join the sides they were on enough that they would actually come to blows over it.

>If only Phase 4 of the MCU could get started so we stop resorting to Thanos and those damn infinity Stones every video game already!
You are absolutely stuck with Thanos as the final boss of your Marvel games until another movie villain reaches the pop-cultural significance he did with IW and Endgame.

On top of that there's another problem with the book: Things just fucking stop dead.
>Carol fucks up and Rhodey is killed
>Tony gets pissed off and abducts the new Inhuman
>Turns out he was testing him and stuff, then he has one of his visions of Hulk killing everyone
>Then everyone goes and confronts Banner, Hawkeye kills him
>Then a trial (which should take what, a week?)

This sort of thing was so fucked that the actual "war" happened in like the fourth or so issue.

Thanos will probably be the end game tease of Square Enix's Avengers game and I can see the youtubers acting like it's a big shock.

Blame Bendis. The man never has a well planed story with a satisfying conclusion.

>>Tony gets pissed off and abducts the new Inhuman
I still confused about whatever happened to the kid?

Carol was in the wrong

I said it before, and I'll say it again; this wasn't a war, this was two recovering alcoholics having a slapfight and dragging everyone else into it. It is one of the worst events Marvel has ever created

Did kamala khan do the superhero accent in the end?

>Square Enix's Avengers game
What?

I think this was the perfect storm where lot of shit were combined like Bendis and his complete decline as writer, Carol reaching the point where her solo comic was really bad and even worse her art during that time the Carl Manvers meme was born and the rejection total of inhumans as replacement for x-men. In the end the problem wasn't that Carol was wrong it was that she has never had a redemption story after Civil War II because Marvel is obsessed with making Carol their Wonder Woman so they have to ignore all the bad Carol does for muh feminism and hero for little girls

Isn't the first battle of Civil War 2 a result of Carol arresting a civilian, escalating things beyond pre-empting supervillain attacks and Hulk rampages?

It's easy enough to understand that the heroes who sided with Tony could see things were heading towards a dystopian nightmare where people are imprisoned for crimes that never happened, while everyone on Carol's side presumably believed Ulysses' visions were infallible, so everything they were doing was right and necessary.
How much thought Bendis and Marvel editorial put into who was on each side and why they were there is another question.

You don't know?
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This.

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>And then the same fuckers almost destroyed the world with the Phoenix
>It's another Yas Forums doesn't read comics and then rants about "FUCKING X-FAGS" Thread
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>Isn't the first battle of Civil War 2 a result of Carol arresting a civilian, escalating things beyond pre-empting supervillain attacks and Hulk rampages?

I get that, but what was Tony trying to do? It clearly wasn't "free people captive in the Traskileon" because they crashed the Guardian's ship into it causing a big explosion.

This is the reason Carol had Banner killed.

She knows Hulk could whoop her ass anytime he felt like it.

Which is why she's avoided him since he came back.

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This comes really close. I don't even recall what happened to him after the ending of CW2.

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Leave it to Bendis to hate Hawkeye so much that he made him kill the Hulk to make others hate Hawkeye.