If New Gods is supposed to be Jack Kirby's follow up to Ragnorak, Does that mean Norse Gods are on the same level of them since they were their precursors? Also weren't New Gods supposed to be part of the Marvel universe until Kirby left? Doesn't that make Thor Darkseid-level powerful? How does he lose to the Infinity Gauntlet if that's the case?
If New Gods is supposed to be Jack Kirby's follow up to Ragnorak...
Isaac Long
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Owen Baker
It makes Thor Orion-Level.
>Orion is more powerful
Not than the non-Kirby darkseid you're imagining.
Eli Phillips
>If New Gods is supposed to be Jack Kirby's follow up to Ragnorak
Well it's the comic that picks up after Kirby's last issue of Thor. It was kind of a nod and a wink to "this is what I did before, but here's the newer, cooler shit"
Dylan Jackson
Don't even bring that Shonen logic into this. In Kirby's work, any one character can defeat the other since it all depends on the writer's intent for the story. If you remember the only New Genesis god that has an actual superpowers is Lightray. Darkseid has some abilities like the Omega Beam.
And Darkseid in Kirby's original works never engaged in physical combat. This was saved for Orion and his final battle. Darkseid was more of a mastermind schemer than titanic warlord like Thanos.
Stan liked Kirby's pitch for the New Gods but Stan didn't want to kill of Thor's pantheon and so told Jack he could add them into the Marvel Universe. Jack didn't want to see he already had the Norse gods, Greek and the Inhumans. I think he was planning it to be more like the Eternals where it was separate from the mainline universe (even though they used SHIELD and editorial later forced Kirby to use the Hulk). In New Gods #7 at the peak of the conflict between New Genesis and Apokolips, Highfather says that they are behaving like the old gods hinting at the Asgardian's war against the Giants.
Cameron Morales
The New Gods are basically spiritual Successor to Asgardians (Theyte technology, physiology and so forth are considered "God-like"). The Asgardians were originally "Space Vikings" with Technology and immense Ultra science and strength like Kryptonians to a extent.
They were never concepts bullshit from Morrison.
They were Metahuman Aliens whi were close to the source that gave their capabilities.
Mind you as DC continue on they begin to retcon some of New Gods.
Same thing for Marvek with Asguardians.
It goes like this
Asgardians,
Fourth World,
And lastly Captain Victory which takes place after Fourth World whuch was written by Jack Kirby himself.
Matthew Sanders
Bear in mind the "The New Gods are transcendent, beyond the normal gods, hyper-elemental embodied archetype" stuff was post-Kirby. I like it and it has its place, but... "It wasn't so from the beginning".
So yes, I'd say the New Gods were the successors to the Asgardians, conceptually speaking, and power-wise, except they were the new hotness.
Dylan Turner
>hyper-elemental embodied archetype" stuff was post-Kirby
This,
Grant Morrison bullshit.
Juan Collins
I like Grant Morrison work but yeah I agree with you. His doing with the New Gods was trash.
I do like his DC 1 million though which is basically his version of Fifth World.
Kayden Reed
Grant's been trying to push his Fifth World ideas for 20 years now, and each time DC just goes "Okay cool" and goes the other way.
Andrew Fisher
True,
DC 1 Million is about as close as "Fifth World" as we can get. I enjoyed myself and the characters. I have all the issues so I'm glad.