Was it a good redemption arc?

>Hal was still in control but he was being manipulated into doing it
It's exactly what I said.
That means Hal needed something that pushed him to do that, that he was never able to came up with something by himself.
That's bad, he should have just flaws

What is was:
>Hal became an ends justifies the means type after losing his city (which in itself was a bit hamfisted)
>Through his battles with Kyle, realizes he fucked up pretty badly
>Sees re-igniting the sun as a chance to redeem himself
>Stuck in purgatory and decides to become the Spectre to atone for what he's done since Corrigan won't take over again
>Manages to turn the Spectre into a Spirit of Redemption rather than just blindly judging everything because he felt so guilty

What it is now:
>Sinestro infected Hal with Parallax somehow after being executed
>Influences him to kill the Guardians and his fellow lanterns
>Wrests control enough to re-ignite the sun?
>Goes to purgatory despite not being in control of himself when these things happened
>Spectre judges him despite not being in control of himself when these things happened
>Comes back to life and the people who had forgiven him have gone back to square one with distrusting him

Rebirth did a lot of good for the GL line, but Johns could've done something a little less hamfisted to bring Hal back.

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>Rebirth did a lot of good for the GL line, but Johns could've done something a little less hamfisted to bring Hal back.
That really sums it up. I’d say Rebirth may even be the weakest part of his run. I understand not wanting a character to be at fault for their actions, I really do, but doing it like that isn’t the way. Hal didn’t need to be mind controlled. He was redeemed before he even came back from the dead. If Hal hadn’t already had a redemption arc, I’d probably be a lot more partial to it.

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Why’d you post this? I appreciate it. Ross is an amazing artist, but it’s not relevant.

Turning Sinestro into an Anti-Hero also rubbed me the wrong way. Not to mention the complete disregard for Black Hand. Should've just made a new character if he was going to change him that much.

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yes it is

Ktar, the very first Hawkman who serves as a general for the Deathbringers, a race of titanic gods that require mass sacrifices in their names. Ktar and his his ally, Idamm, are charged with collecting the individuals to be sacrificed -- when we first meet Ktar, he has just finished a campaign on Thanagar, which led to 12,000 prisoners being rounded up. The sacrifices are then taken to the temple world of Qgga, where they are thrown to the deaths in service to “The Lord Beyond The Void” so that he may one day escape into our universe and lead his Deathbringers on a path of devastation, but Ktar has been having second thoughts.

During his time on Thanagar, Ktar saw a woman among the dead who approached him and uttered the words, “You are in pain, warrior,” to which Ktar told her to hide before Idamm found her and added her to the field of dead. The woman appeared again on Qgga, lurking in the shadows, just out of the corner of Ktar’s eye. From then on, every world Ktar traveled to, the woman would be there watching him. The weight of his actions weighed heavy on his conscience until the time came for the final sacrifice, the one which would bring The Lord Beyond The Void into the universe. Again under the judgemental eye of the woman who watches, Ktar refused to commit this last act and instead set about freeing the enslaved to help him bring down the temple and stop the ascension.

I never saw Sinestro as an anti-hero. Whenever he and Hal teamed up it was in Sinestro’s best interests to do so.
I never knew anything about Black Hand before*hand* so I don’t mind it much, but it’s certainly a fair criticism.

Ktar was able to keep Idamm busy while the chained Thanagarians dragged the sacred pillar into the void to stop the dead god’s return. In doing so, they brought down the entire planet of Qgga around them. Idamm was able to pin Ktar to a wall with his spear, but was crushed shortly thereafter by falling debris. In his dying moments, the woman approached Ktar and offered him her hand, saying that no one deserves to die alone. As the gateway closes, The Lord Beyond The Void swears to his former general that he will not only get his revenge, but that one day Ktar will serve as the weapon he was always intended to be. Then, the portal seals shut and Ktar dies staring at the stars without the answer to his final question… what was the woman’s name?

Ktar awakens in a field of skulls with a mysterious, omnipresent voice as his only company. He is told that he has a choice between life and death. He can accept death and whatever judgement may come with it, or he can live again in a cycle of reincarnation to make amends for the lives he slaughtered. If he chooses to live again, he will be trapped in a cycle of reincarnation across space and time until he has saved as many lives as he was responsible for ending, and considering the Deathbringers slaughtered civilizations and offered up sacrifices in the five-figure range, that’s going to be quite a lot of lives that need saving before Ktar can know peace. Still, the Deathbringer chooses to live again and the voice gives him a final word of warning: The Deathbringers will return, and when they do, each life they take will once again be added to Ktar’s tally until he stops them once and for all.

It was an attempt to legitimize sinestrostro

Between not being redeemed and not needing to be redeemed I think fans of the character would probably prefer the latter, however hamfisted, simply because it's easier to use a character without a fuckton of blood on his hands.

There's a reason this shit got retconned too.

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It was an attempt to legitimize sinestrostro

>There's a reason this shit got retconned too.

user, MUH XANSHI has been the driving force behind any John development since Odyssey came out. I don't remember that being retconned at all.

I'm pretty sure this is still canon.

It was retconned to him showing up late. Him directly fucking up by bubbling MM isn't canon anymore. That entire scene no longer happened.

Why didn’t he target the red and black parts?

user. Hals fans long ago aged out of the market and are dying out. He has no new fans and the last few attempts at making him not suck failed miserably. John's even shat on a full reboot of gl with John as the gl, kyle as the cocky hotshot new kid, and half as the fallen herobparallax. Fucking John's told them to not do it and wait because hal is great.

Although I agree your opinion that Geoff changed Sinestro much, I also think he should've become an anti-hero before. His purpose has been changed to "make this world better" since the 80's, and the position of anti-hero fits that purpose rather than just a sinister villain.

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Yellow light reflects on those parts

>It was retconned to him showing up late.

When was this done? I swear in Blackest Night they still had it as him fucking up when he's trying to rebuild Xanshi

I don't remember when it was done but Yrra still blames him and he blames himself so it's not different functionally in universe.

>hal goes from being by the books superhero that puts his life on the line for others to being someone that abuses his powers, kills all his allies, seizes all power for himself, fights all the heroes, and rewrites history
It was always stupid because Hal's downfall was set up to make Kyle relevant. Take out the most popular character and kill everyone and bring in the chosen one. Any other story it'd be called out by everyone and yet this instance it's fine. Johns retconned a well-written yet fundamentally flawed story.

>redemption
Parallax Hal didn't really do much that needed redeeming. How many people did he really kill?

Emerald Twilight is contrived at best. Green Lantern #47 had Hal hanging with Ollie and coping with Coast City relatively well, but then one issue later he’s standing in the crater. I don’t dislike ET, but it is indeed fundamentally flawed.

user. No one likes hal.
Kyle is more marketable and relevant

>It was always stupid because Hal's downfall was set up to make Kyle relevant.

More like, Kevin Dooley wanted his own Knightfall or Death/Return of Superman and decided Hal going crazy was the way to go so he kicked Gerard Jones out and brought in Marz to quickly think of a way to do it. Kyle was an afterthought to that.

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He destroyed the universe. He also attempted to kill multiple Lanterns and succeeded in killing Kilowog and all the Guardians but Ganthet.

Not really

The cartoon bombed.
The movie did irreparable damage
No one cares that he was never part of the dceu

No, I was talking about Kyle being relevant which he isn’t at all. People only care about John

>No one likes hal.
>Kyle is more marketable and relevant
lmao you can't actually belive that

>hey remember Rayner?
>>Fuck yeah I love Rayner
>Alright here, he remade the GL Corps and is considered the light bearer, now if I were to sayyyy.... stop giving a fuck about him and go back to Hal, rather then just killing him, you'll forget about him and never ask about him agian, right?
>>No Wait, I'd Love to See more Ky-
and then Kyle was forgotten and left to rot along side the black guy

I can understand shitting on Zero Hour if only because the first half where it's a sequel to Armageddon 2001 fucking sucked, but shitting on the Final Night is some bad fucking taste.

>and then Kyle was forgotten and left to rot along side the black guy

Kyle was the co-lead of Corps with Guy for a number of years then got his own book in the Nu52. He may have jobbed a lot, but he wasn't left to rot like Sodam was.

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>The cartoon bombed
Because the movie did irreparable damage
>The movie did irreparable damage
And lots of people complained because they changed his personalities into Kyle's
>No one cares that he was never part of the dceu
Remember that "unite the seven" campaign shit?

You people sure love to act as if when Hal came back, all the other Lanterns stopped mattering and were instantly forgotten, when in reality, all Lanterns kept appearing in multiple comics. It's just nowadays that the only Lanterns that matter are Hal, John and Jess.

>And lots of people complained because they changed his personalities into Kyle's

People complained because they turned Hal into every Ryan Reynolds character he's ever played and the complete shitshow of a plot. Hector Hammond was more sympathetic than Hal was. How do you even manage that?

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>Hal, John and Jess
>John and Jess
literally who?

The guy that's with the Justice League and the gal that's in space fighting Darkseid. I know Yas Forums doesn't read comics but at least pretend to know what's going on.

Sadly, Hal has been featured in the film and numerous animated movies, John is DCEU's main lantern, Guy has been a funny character in several series, and even Jessica has been great in recent cartoons, while Kyle hasn't been anywhere in the past decade.
Accept reality. Now Kyle is the least popular lantern in the world except Simon.

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What arc? If the space bug didn’t appear I would say yes. But nooo Hal is a goodboy he dindu nuffin so now all that growth is based on nothing

It was, but then it was ruined by the fearbug. Reminder thatthe HAL LIED theory is the only way to save Hal's arc and that Johns was a heatfag

>Green Lantern #47 had Hal hanging with Ollie and coping with Coast City relatively well, but then one issue later he’s standing in the crater. I don’t dislike ET, but it is indeed fundamentally flawed.
T. user who doesn't know how issues works and read the comics online only.
Hal had other appearences after 47# in non-GL comics.
Green Arrow in top of that, and after looking at all the Coast City people without a home he went to the city again at meditating, then GL #48

He had an arc in Final Night, Day of Judgment, and Spectre.

>T. user who doesn't know how issues works and read the comics online only.

If you know the backstory behind Emerald Twilight, then you'd know what he's saying is true. Emerald Twilight was so last minute that issues 48, 49 and 50 were solicited as something completely different because Gerard Jones had a different direction to go to that didn't involve Hal going crazy which is why this scene of him at the end of 47 makes no sense with him saying that if Tom and Carol are okay, he can make it through this. Hell, the last JLI/E issue he was in was him hanging out with Wally. The fact that Emerald Twilight was condensed into 3 issues instead of probably 6 to make it to the 50 issue milestone just makes it look even worse because there's no buildup. Just Hal going gung-ho right off the bat.

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>ignoring the post
Look at the chronological history of Hal Jordan on the wiki

He is. It's just that no one tried because they wanted hal as the white one.
He has nothing going for him as a character beyond just being a white guy. Hell if the wanted a white guy they have the far more entertaining and good guy gardener. Idris Elba as the noble hero gl, Johnn cena as guy gardener, and...John hamm or Dennis Quaid as the fallen hero

No one war had the movie and the cartoon was dull ponderous shit.
Kyle personality? They tried to have Ryan Reynolds p look at him as the supposed fun loving hal that fucking loser like to pretend he was. As for that campaign. They are creepy fucking losers that no iij ne gives a fuck about. Grow the fuck up.

>on the wiki

user, I have GL's chronological history. I literally loaded up to see what the other issues coming out around that time frame are and most of them are either Guy related or Hal being in the Eclipso and Bloodlines crossovers. There's the last few Mosaic issues inbetween, but that just furthers my point because Hal is trying to get John to calm down showing none of his desires about bringing Coast City back because John could do it at that point after becoming a Guardian and the last JLI issue he appeared in was a quick 'I have things to take care of in Coast City, but I'll be back guys'. Nothing in any of his appearances showed he was reacting THAT badly to the destruction.

Why did Martian Manhunter act like a dick to him afterwards? It wasn't his fault he couldn't defuse a Yellow bomb.

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Because he literally pulled one of these by saying "I don't need your help, I'm Green Lantern!"

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