Thoughts on the black caludron?

On the one hand, as a kid who loves Conan comics and Tolkien, I love that we get a Classic Disney feature film that has that uses a sword and sorcery setting. I love the Horned King and all the creepy stuff he's doing.

On the other hand, our main hero's are flat. Taran is a whiny dipshit. Princess Eilonwy should be one of the more interesting Disney Princesses (I mean she broke herself out of a dungeon) but she isn't. The fact that she's a princess is almost irreverent. The writers miss a lot of good opportunities for character development by using status.

So, for example in Aladdin, the fact that Jasmine is a Princess and Aladdin is a street rat is really integral to their relationship. When they first meet, Jasmine hides her status to Aladdin because she wants to experience real life. Al is in love with her, but when he realizes who she really is he knows she's way out of his league. When Aladdin gets the lamp, he creates the identity of Prince Ali to fool Jasmine into thinking he's of the same status as her. In Star Wars, the relationship between Han Solo and Leia is all about status. The writers of the Black Cauldron are not interested in that.

The main point of interest I have left in it is eventually seeing the edited footage that was removed for being too dark and it most likely no longer exists

this. also the horned king was surprisingly a little bitch.

>One of the most notorious victims was The Black Cauldron. Then newly-installed Disney Studios chief Jeffery Katzenberg personally cut nearly twenty minutes off the finished film before it hit theaters. The film certainly has other problems -- movies in Development Hell for twelve years tend to accumulate them. But anyone with even a vague knowledge of animation production can see how insane this decision was.

>Speaking of Katzenberg-related Executive Meddling moments, Katzenberg was the primary reason as to why Beauty and the Beast was heavily retooled to be a very loose adaptation with a very overt feminist theme to it, and was even the reason why he brought in Linda Woolverton to write the film at all. Originally, it was meant to be a straight adaptation of the fairy tale. However, Katzenberg demanded it to be completely retooled to be a broadway bonanza with a feminist twist. Apparently, the feminist messaging was added in due to several negative responses by critics towards Ariel that viewed her as "cloyingly sexist" for even desiring to go for Prince Eric at all. Aside from Katzenberg himself, Linda Woolverton also demanded that a scene of Belle baking a cake for what was supposed to be her dad's return home be cut out due to thinking that a liberated woman like Belle wouldn't know how to bake, and she also decided to make Gaston into the central antagonist over keeping Belle's sisters or Aunt Marguerite due to thinking them to be too similar to Drizella and Anastasia Tremaine in overall role, and so she could dish out some revenge towards several ex-boyfriends of hers.

Reminder this got a 4K remaster for Disney Plus and it’s a big improvement over the Amazon-DL.

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Books were better.
The film has a travesty of a backstory and it's a miracle it got made at all.

Remember watching it as a kid.
Can't recall a single thing about it. So I guess it wasn't a very memorable movie.

Definitely a flawed movie, but I loved the BGs and overall atmosphere.

It's an underwhelming C-Tier movie that only escapes obscurity because people think The Horned King is cool. His design and his John Hurt voice are the only thing holding it together. People speculate that things would've been better had Eisner and Katzenberg not interfered, but really we're talking about roughly 11 minutes of footage, which even then doesn't change that the story is boring and the protagonists are all obnoxious. Quite honestly out of all the Disney properties, I think this is one of the few which would actually benefit from a remake. So long as the Horned King remains unchanged and the script is tightened, everything else could be as vanilla as possible and I wouldn't be offended. If nothing else it would at least get Disney considering going off the beaten path again. Maybe.

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>11 minutes of footage

My mistake, it was actually closer to 20 minutes, which is considerably longer. I stand by everything else though.

>If nothing else it would at least get Disney considering going off the beaten path again. Maybe.

This. We all rag on Disney, but there was a period where they took some genuine gambles. Pirates of the Caribbean could've been an giant turd, but they wrote a solid script and let Johnny Depp fuck around, and made a modern classic with actual grit. Tron could've probably been their next big thing too if they'd believed in it, but I think once they started buying already established properties (you know the ones) it became easier for them to just rest on their legacy.

calling it black was racist

I've heard she's barefoot all the time in the books. The fact she isn't in the movie upsets me.

They should have made a sequel. Heck, they should have had Elwynonwy in Sofia the First.

>Yes I want to fuck her

Dude she's like 12.

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She is a barefootfag in the books and in some of the original sketches.

She's also fictional. Who gives a shit how old she is?

In the middle ages, 12 was pretty much marriage age if you were a royal.

Terribad. They managed to do the almost impossible and make me dislike the comic relief. And I'm the type of guy who likes even the gargoyles from HOND.

>our main hero's are

People who use "zoomershit" as a term are unironically retarded.

I mean, Beauty and the Beast is one of the most critically acclaimed movies, animated or otherwise, of that entire decade, so it was hardly a poor choice to retool it as much as they did.

This movie needs merch.

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fucking awsome
pretty sure that sparked my gay gene to kick in when i was a kid

Too old?

It's garbage but Yas Forums is full of contrarians and feetfags

It was actually really bad. I wanted to give it a chance as the ugly sister amongst all Disney movies, but it was just.... bad.

The villain was boring. The hero was forgettable. The sidekick was even more annoying than most others. And it felt incomplete, like it was an extended episode of a series that never continued (that last one, of course, for obvious reasons).

It deserves its place.

This is a movie where it feels like they animated a bunch of really well done sequences, but didn't pay attention to see if it worked well as a whole.
maybe this will suffice for now.
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One of my all time favourite films. I love everything about it. I saw it as a little kid and, along with other films like Princess and the Goblin, it solidified my eternal love for quasi-medieval fantasy settings and cute lanky boys with brunette moptops and British accents.

I honestly don't get why the film gets such a bad rep. Considering the other films in the Disney dark age, it's surprisingly good. It doesn't have any of the reused animation that the other films had (ex. scenes in Robin Hood that were directly lifted from Snow White). Instead, the film had some super creepy and far out animation of ghastly ghouls that remind adult me of the pilot scene from Heavy Metal.

The film's soundtrack is super unique, too. Yeah, there's the generic medieval fantasy tropes (which, to this day, I am a slut for. If anyone is into this genre, check out Gryphon or Shirley Collins). However, it's made unique through the use of unusual instruments like the ondes martenot, which suits the creepy magical tone of the movie.

Taran to quote Helga Pataki, made my girlhood tremble is also a more consistent protagonist than some of the Disney Renaissance heroes. If you compare him to, say, Hercules (and yes I know this is cheating), his arc makes a lot more sense. In Hercules, Herc's goal is to belong, but the thing he learns is to put the needs of others (ex. Meg) before himself. There isn't a lot of tension there since these two concepts are not particularly related.

1/2 because autism

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2/2

With Taran, they are. Taran's goal / want at the beginning of the story is to be a great knight and have a romantic life full of adventure. He fantasies about being a knight draped in gold armor being introduced to a cheering crowd. However, what Taran needs to learn is that in order to exemplify the values inherent in chivalrous knighthood (protecting the weak, honor, etc.) he needs to be willing to humble himself. The most honorable things that Taran can do are not the ones that seem the most romantic. He gives up his knight's sword to try and prevent the Horned King from getting the Cauldron, and he sacrifices himself twice for Gurdi. It's these acts, in which Taran lays down his sword and his life, in which he is most knight-like.

And, correspondingly, he is rewarded for this. Taran begins the narrative as a braggadocious dick trying to show off how cool and manly he is to compensate for the fact he feels insecure about being an "assistant pig keeper". This leads him to condescend to Eilonwy. Correspondingly, she tells him off. It's only when Taran humbles himself in the service of the ultimate good that he finally wins the affections of the princess. Bam. Perfect. Straightforward moral.

I could go on forever about the Black Cauldron but I'll reel my autism in here. For fuck's sake, the scene where John Hurt's Horned King is introduced walking down the stairwell to monologue amongst his pile of corpses scared the fuck out of me as a kid. He doens't even do anything. He just stands around and LARPs to himself. But as a kid? I had to watch that scene with my hands over my eyes. It's fucking brillant.

It's just a great atmospheric film that is moody and fun and pretty. The fact it is maligned and blamed for the near collapse of Disney animation while the generic cutesy musical princess trash of the 90s Renaissance is praised will never make me not mad. Normies deserve to be made into cauldron born.

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Most japanese warlords were fathers by the age of 14.

Gaston did nothing wrong

The Creature from the African American Lagoon

I liked it

I was enjoying it until I discovered that it was actually a white cauldron covered in shoe polish

10/10
I wish Disney would at least try more with the atmosphere in movies

Try more story or try more in graphics?
Tangled was good, but they should have stuck with the Rapunzel fairy tale. I still think Lilo and Stitch was better, if only because it wasn't taken from Disneycorp's personal folder of the most well known fairy tales for children.

Somehow everything that makes it bland and unwatchable also make it a masterpiece.

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Amazing visuals, crap story. Also that little fuzzy annoying character should have been the first cut in the film instead of whatever they decided to remove.

Wasn't it revealed in the second half of the movie that she's not even a real princess?

It would have been so much better to do a live-action Chronicles of Prydain instead of doing two Narnia movies and then giving up.

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This is the kind of restoration Disney should be doing with their pre-90's films.

Is there a link or something to this?

Bingo. I just miss the days when Disney could fucking scare kids. Maybe this is why I always preferred early Bluth as a kid. Kids love horror. The 90s was chock full of horror-for-kids.

Not sure why you'd want to date me but ever since my last boyfriend trooned out I've given up on males. 3DPD and all that.

Hen Wen was uncomfortably attractive when I was a kid. Now, I can confidently say they intentionally made that pig hot.

A great book series
An okay movie.

If disney wanted some sort of high-fantasy harry potter/LOTR to milk for several releases they could do worse than remaking it as a live action.

Hey. I like that Eilonwy is flat.

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It's been decades, and not everything has improved.
They would have killed for hair like that, but at the same time, they wanted the human characters to look like humans.

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Is she really?

She was built for it, that big black cauldron.