Humans were under-represented in Steven Universe

All of the 'conventional' attacks you mention were done exclusively by gems themselves with the one obviously bad exception that makes discussions like this a fucking joke.

Snipers can't do shit tho, just fucking dodge because most of them are faster than them weak ass pansies.

You can't dodge an attack you can't see.

Rebecca doesn’t particularly care about power

Garnet can see them.
And anyone who isn't a blind motherfucker can see them.

>implying part of the fun of humans vs aliens isn't the fact that humans get curbstomped even after sending their best

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yeah its like you never even watched the show

also the human race can't defend itself from an enemy that doesn't even have a full cell, you think they could take on an empire that covers the whole galaxy?

Sugar didn't address this because the answer would just be humans being slaughtered, frankly Yellow Diamond was gonna kill all humans without even really trying to, she just wanted to fuck up the Earth

an insane jester got her hands on a dooms day weapon which would wipe out all biological life on Earth

Like unless you wanted to see humans easily slaughtered idk why you are begging for gem vs human conflict

>inb4 someone cites Ruby falling from orbit as though that’s supposed to be a serious feat of durability for gems as a whole & not just a comedic scene to enable plot

>humans were underrepresented in SU
Look who made the show

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He means bullets, user. The gems can’t fucking dodge bullets

>Disregarding shit that literally disprove your argument for the sake of not caring
Then i'll disregard the only real point these arguments have FOR gems being weak and make it like Sadie never poked a corrupted invisible gem with a stick.
This discussion gets fucking stupid real fast especially when you start denying shit.

Also honestly, gems from what they've done are definitely durable enough to survive a bullet.

So... a human?

Ruby tried to shatter Steven with a blade, Amethyst fell onto a rock & nearly broke, Bismuth & Rose (herself a diamond) were both convinced the Shattering Point could break gems. The falling from orbit scene is literally the only thing to suggest gems are durable at all, & it was meant in a comedic light. You might as well say Connie is a shapeshifter because she’s shorter in later seasons to accomodate changes in tone/artstyle

I’ll tell you what the government could’ve done

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>A ruby vocalizes 'i'll shatter you!'
>It's never done on screen
>Nothing even implies this happens even in the show and Steven isn't just a bloody mess due to the human part of his body

>Amethyst fell from a height that kills humans daily and only fucking cracked, to which we now know is the least lethal and most treatable thing to a gem now
>Oh wow, a tool that was specifically planned to shatter gems can BREAK gems?
>One MADE by a GEM themselves?
>The falling from orbit scene is literally the only thing that suggests gems are durable at all

Good thing this happened on three separate occasions
>1, the Ruby
>2, Lapis who was not protected at all and was only minorly scratched on top of the ship exploding on her
>3, Jasper who survives TWO explosions back to back and is also minorly scratched on top of the ship exploding on her.

The only things that are meant in a comedic or non-serious light is shit that actually proves gems are weak, like (exclusively the only human done feat on the show against a gem.) Poke and poof an invisible corrupted gem with a sharpened wooden stick.

This show's cast is OP as fuck, but it's power scaling is wonk as hell.

And all the gems survive this as long as they get inside a pink bubble lol

Oh Dios mío
Querido santo, sálvame, la creatura ha despertado y vendrá por nosotros, la encarnación de todo lo malo del universo, la abominación de las américas, el duende de la perdición, el espíritu de la oscuridad...

Dios mío...Espíritu del Señor. Espíritu de Dios, Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo, Santísima Trinidad, Virgen Inmaculada, ángeles, arcángeles y santos del paraíso, descended sobre mí. Fúndeme, Señor, lléname de ti. Expulsa de mi todas las fuerzas del mal, aniquílas, destrúyelas. Expulsa de mí los maléficos, la magia negra, el ogro de las tinieblas, la luz extinguida, el americano... Por favor, destruye la infestación diabólica; todo lo que es mal, pecado, envidia, celos y perfidia; la enfermedad física, psíquica, moral, espiritual y diabólica... destruye al monstruo, a la creatura... Quema a este mal en el infierno, para que nunca más me toquen a mí ni a ningun ser. Ordeno y mando con la fuerza de Dios omnipotente, en nombre de Jesucristo Salvador, por intermedio de la Virgen Inmaculada, a todos los espíritus inmundos, a todas las presencias del Goblino, que me abandonen inmediatamente, que me abandonen definitivamente y que se vayan al infierno eterno. El chupa-chupacabras no puede triunfar, el monstruo, la abominación... debe morir... Encadenado por San Miguel arcángel, por San Gabriel, por San Rafael, aplastado bajo el talón de la Virgen Santísima Inmaculada, aleja la aberración genetíca, al ogro de las Americas...

Amén

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>Are more powerful than any gem in Steve universe

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There was nothing comedic or non-serious about Sadie poofing the corrupted gem.

Minus how filler the episode was.

which never meant anything

even if bullets were as effective against gems are they are against humans, which I think they clearly wouldn't be, the problem isn't individuals gems anyway, its their doomsday weapons

this is the shit scifi authors never address because it doesn't make a good story, if you're a galactic empire trying to defeat a single planet and don't care about keeping the population in tact, its not even close to fair, fuck just put some rockets on an asteroid and problem solved

retards love to think about Independence Day as if its reasonable and interesting scifi when really shit like that is pure fantasy, if aliens came with the intent of wiping out all human life they could do so without even knowing who they were

Omega levels of based

It only attacked for five minutes and never even reached the city.

If you call that a human.

humans weren't under=represented
if anything most would say they were used to much

but really they were used in all the wrong ways

you never really see gems and humans interact that much
even if that's supposed to show the two sides of steven's life they should have been in more plot important arcs

This is the most disrespectful shit ever.
Not only you're using a meme site for mocking 2 people's look.
But you're assuming that that joke site is a reliable source for how a kid may look like despite you putting the faces of 2 adults in it, of course 2 adults don't make the look of a baby
And not only you're being a lookist, but also a casual racist.
One thing is saying their cartoons are bad, the other, and it's worse on every sides, it's mock them for being not attractive for you and for this society's standards, and then there is the worst of the worst that is assuming their children would be abo*inations just and only for their look.
Don't be mean like this and you will be beautiful, because you're acting like an ugly person

>they didn't even bother giving most townies new grown up designs
how LITTLE do they care about these characters? it feels like if they made Future with the mentality of older seasons they would not have passed up this opportunity to change up their designs at least a little.

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Not him but you’re cherrypicking information a bit. If we’re actually seriously scaling impacts as if they were irl then the fact that
>Peridot poofed Jasper with the blunt end of a metal rod
>Amethyst got cracked by a short fall (and would therefore be obliterated by even small-arms fire)
>The breaking point is an extendable metal spike, propelled at observably modest speeds that stand nowhere near the acceleration required for the force/pressure a bullet would provide
would imply they’re not that durable at all. If anything the show’s just inconsistent with how strong they’re meant to be, it can’t even decide its animation - let alone its lore

serious question but how older were all those townies, because Steven ages 4 years, and they all had jobs at the very start, so they went from 16-20 at the youngest but it seems more likely they were all older than that to start, I mean what store, even a shitty donut shop, lets two 16 year olds run it?

Where was this during the whole series?

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>Gem oriented action that isn't even fully displayed on screen
>short fall
She has enough time to monologue ironically long.
>And again, a GEM MADE OBJECT

These are all feats done by gems onto other gems, the fact Amethyst in hindsight suffers the least damaging thing that can be done to a gem at the very BEST especially when she fell directly onto her gem (if she landed literally anywhere else on her body, I can guarantee you she'd be fine, on top of the fact the rock she lands on is SUPER jagged and was clearly meant to put precise pressure on her.)

Yes, the show is EXTREMELY inconsistent, but the true times they're actually weak is only once and that's when a human ever does something.
And that's what the discussion was about.
How a gem fares against humans and human capacity.
If all the examples listed for why 'a gem is weak lol' is stuff that another gem does to [x] gem, that's not representative of how a gem fairs against a human and vice versa.

Gif related for why this argument sucks ass too.

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Wow dude those five episodes per season and less than one fifth of the overall episode total really hurt in the end. Oh wait no it fucking didn't. Read an episode guide sometime you dolt.

>Sugar never bothered to explain or give a detailed look as to why SU's earth is shaped differently (Africa is in South America, Florida is an island, Russia is instead a big ass crater with a homeworld colony in the middle, etc) as shown in that world map in the moon base
>Humans never gave a shit about all the flying green hands, shape-shifting alien women, giant monsters and other scary shit that showed up everyday
>We never saw the crystal gems hide or make a deal with the government to keep operating
>We never saw the government attempt to replicate gem technology and attack the crystal gems with male gem soldiers
>Earth forces' never united and got payback against the genocidal space tyrants that fucked earth for thousands of years, instead Steven talks them down with muh feelings, muh tears and by making them blush once
>The tyrants went unpunished and only got a slap in the wrist despite being extreme racist bigots who caused a lot of suffering and destroyed countless civilizations and lifeforms for millenia

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It's a franchise. I think Sadie explains this in an earlier episode. She's like 17-18 and Lars is roughly the same age.

Yeah, this right here. I recall the downright chilling scene that Peridot laid out for them, in which the Earth is just casually warped into an uninhabitable husk of crust laden with gem-made structures. Humans are just another organic being in the way of resources.

Have, and you clearly don't know what is townie filler.

WW2 didn't happen, so they don't exist in Steven Universe

but that would be an interesting concept; NATO decides to take matters into their own hands on dealing with corrupted gems while the CG tries to tell them to back off

>It's an alternate universe, it could be shaped like a pear if they wanted
>Humans have had these things in their history forever, you are confusing what YOU want with what the charcters want
>Fucking lol
>Fucking LOL
>"Earth's forces" who were cavemen when the Diamonds were forced off planet
>"Unpunished" but no longer have power and are actively fixing the shit they did without ANY prompting from Steven

You are a fucking trainwreck. Please log off.

>Implying the force of a punch from a human is anywhere close to the concussive force of a bullet impact
What, do you think it would just ricochet off a gem's core with a comedic 'twang' or something? Get the fuck out of here, we have guns that can tear through foot-thick steel armor like it was goddamn toilet paper. Jesus, where are the /k/fags when we need them?

>we will never see Gems and humans actually fighting eachother
>we will never see the United States military or any other armed forces challenge gems in warfare
>we will never see a proper interstellar war with humans defending their home turf

That's one of the only good things about the show. Fuck off, you colossal faggot.

Well, the government did nothing about the aliens fighting monsters, the multiple extraterrestrial spaceships, the ocean disappearing, the giant hand appearing from the earth's crust, the sentient plant life or when poison almost killed all life on earth.

>jagged
>is smooth
A gemstone falling onto a rock, not even a smooth rock but any rock no matter how jagged, won’t produce 1/100th the force a firearms will.
And you can clearly see Peridot pick up the rod & send it flying into Jasper as it impacts a whole second later. I’m not saying gems are weak, but there are clear instances when they’re 100% not as durable as you’re saying (bc Sugar can’t decide how strong they are)

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And you clearly don't know the meaning of the word filler.

I remember there being a quest on /qst/ which capitalized on this. Focused more on the human perspective of things. Even just as a fanfic quest in that regard, it managed to be pretty interesting because of that.

>>We never saw the government attempt to replicate gem technology and attack the crystal gems with male gem soldiers
Please shut the fuck up mouth breathing metal men faggot.

It's representative of how humans fare just with bare fists.
Now let's have these weak ass humans in SU try to make something even worth a damn, oh? A gun? That fires a bullet that's only limited by their human creator?

Bubble shield, or anything from Rose immediately ignores it.
And if a gem's core isn't exposed? This is particularly problematic when you're facing a direct counter to a lot of these arguments, Garnet who's core is the most well protected out of everyone.
Don't even get me started on how inhuman a gem has to be to shatter a boulder with a kick you know, or basically do whatever.. Sardonyx did, Sugilite did. Lift shit like Peridot's technology did, or Garnet stopping a car from ramming right into her WITH gem tech.
Yeah. not sure what you want here but there's way too much in support of gems but again, this all falls apart with two specific examples so this argument is dumb.

And again
>Falls directly onto her gem
>Only sustains the bare minimum in the long run of the show.
This example only bolsters Amethyst's durable who later goes on to get steamrolled on the gem repeatedly by the perfect Quartz.
Her durability is out of the question for defining ALL the gems.
And no, Peridot grabbing the rod and using her metal wielding capabilities is not actually seen traveling on screen, we only see the impact.
Again, this whole argument is REALLY dumb when you try to define the WHOLE GEM RACE based off some of these iffy as hell examples.

HOW MUCH LONGER CAN YOU KEEP THIS UP!!!????

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Don't matter, filler is always a changable meaning like for this show in particular it's an episode that can be removed from the show and you lose nothing of value.
Which surprise surprise is a lot of episodes that only primarily focus on townies, as none of them played a major role in any plot oriented events later on in the show's lifespan.

>not sure what you want here but there's way too much in support of gems but again, this all falls apart with two specific examples so this argument is dumb.
When why the fuck are you arguing to begin with?

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I guess I'll post this here rather than start a new thread. I was bored so I made a graph of all of SU's imdb ratings. You can see a very clear trend of highly rated episodes being followed immediately with a nosedive which feels accurate.

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I'm not the one that kept pushing it as you can clearly see in this thread.
A lot of dumb motherfuckers truly believe based on Season 1 examples or stuff they blatantly miss the point of when it comes to discussing how gems fare against humans, that gems are somehow weak.

I don't think anyone was arguing that gems are weak, but rather that humans have a fighting chance against them.

The whole point of Amethyst’s episode was that she’d “die” if they didn’t fix her in time. It’s not the bare minimum, it was serious damage from falling onto a smooth rock - not 1/100th the force literally any firearm provides.
And yes, watch Peridot’s episode again, because you can clearly see her pick up the rod while Jasper’s screaming, send it flying towards her at visibly subsonic speeds & have it impact a whole second of Jasper’s screaming later.

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>Say Uncle the 2nd lowest
>Rocknaldo 1st lowest
This is cursed, at least Rocknaldo was actually worth your time.

The snake people are preventing it.

>Only sustains the bare minimum in the long run of the show.
That isn't fair, that damage was significant at the time Amethyst's body was glitching out like crazy she couldn't even communicate and was losing function of her body and even the slightest ding to the gem exacerbated the crack. We see how stressed this makes the other gems even Garnet. A cracked gem may not be the biggest deal now but before the ability was not widely accessible by gemkind only those on Team Rose had it.

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If you’re scaling the impacts of explosions & ship crashes as if they were irl you should likewise scale the shattering point as it is: a metal spike being propelled forward at medium, subsonic speed. You saying “gem spike = breaks better than normal spike” means you could likewise say “gem ship crash = hurts less than normal ship crash”

Here's Avatar for comparison

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