Now that the dust has settled, which is the better?

>It had better pacing
Maybe in bizarro Earth.
That's worrying.

This.
Bunch of Nogs thinkin Bumblebee was anywhere near TF1. It had an actual story bumblebee is the millionth iron giant coming of age story. It had no originality even if it was alright. TF1 is unlike ANYTHING that came before it. Fuck if only megan fox wasnt such a bitch and we had a real trilogy with best couple. Shia would have been a badass alongside Markie if he wasnt such a fag.

'86 > BB > Bayformers

TF1. BB should be renamed to "Charlie"

I dropped both of them but watched more minutes of Bumblebee so that's the better one. Also, the transformers in that movie, minus Bee himself who looks like shit, look way better than in the shitty Bay movies. But yeah they are both shit in my opinion regardless.
This.

TF1 was poorly written as shit. Here's a prime example why; The glasses, the entire driving motivation of both factions in order to find the Allspark, ultimately doesn't fucking matter. Sam and Bumblebee get abducted and taken to the secret base housing it, while the Decepticons find it thanks to Frenzy. So 2/3rds of the fucking movie is pointless.

Bumblebee fucking sucked. It was just an Iron Giant ripoff and we've seen that kind of story a billion times.
Would have been fine, but they made Bumblebee himself a huge pussy who couldn't even fight.
It was so formulaic and I couldn't believe how much praise the film was getting for being a total ripoff.
TF1 was much better.

The last time I saw shit this convoluted was during Birds of Prey and even then it wasn't as pointless so that's saying something

t. DiBonaventura.

I'm definitely in the minority, but I prefer TF1 to Bumblebee. In the first movie, I liked how the transformers actually looked alien and their voices had a filter over them. Bumblebee was alright, but ultimately it was boring to me.

>tfw this shit is what normalfags are associating with Transformers now
I remember some people saying that they were TF fans and I showed them a Megatron from the comic I was reading like saying "yeah me too" and they didn't fucking know who that was. Turned out they only know the Bayformer Megs and don't recognize the bots from the cartoons or comics.

>Unironically liking the trash overcomplicated Bay designs
What manner of shit taste is this? When in motion they're incomprehensible, and frankly they all look samey.
Well what do you expect? Transformers haven't had a great cartoon in years

Every cartoon is better than the damn movies and I am saying this as someone who thinks that Animated sucked.
Even IF, how mainstreamish does a person have be to not know that TF is a franchise mainly consisting of comics and cartoons and not some recent shitty movie versions.

>Bayformers look samey
>no great cartoon in years
Bet you collect Masterpiece Crate Peopl3 to satisfy a G1 boner

I don't care for the larger Transformers franchise but my favourite Transformers movie was probably 3 or 4.

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Bumblebee hands down.

2007 (jesus has it been that long?) has many memorable scenes and music, but it's also not really about Transformers, it's about a shitty dude being the center of the universe, the actual Transformers doesn't factor into Sam's whole story of "sacrifice" and that bullshit.

Bumblebee is the story of two outcasts coming together and helping eachother and growing a friendship.
That and Bee is just overall a more solid made film and isn't Military wankery like the Bayformers.

I think Hasbro has realized this and is trying their hardest to boil down all Transformers into one design to be used everywhere, problem is that Megs is kinda generic, being just a grey man with a big fuck off canon, and the 2007 movie has been around for so long it has made a massive impact.

>someone who thinks that Animated sucked.
Mah nigga. I loved the toys, but the actual fiction is hot trash.

For me, it's Bumblebee > Age of Extinction > 1986 movie > Transformers (2007) > Dark of the Moon > Revenge of the Fallen >>>>> The Last Knight

Bumblebee.

Shatter is my waifu.

I actually agree with you on the designs, they have grown on me over the years, but only the first ones, Bayformers went pretty overboard with it's designs and they just became really fucking bad, especially TF4 onward, pic related.
Bee's designs are weird, Bee himself along with Shatter, Dropkick and Blitzwing look really good, but the really g1 designs are a bit eh and a bit too g1 wankery and not enough it's own thing, but I get why Hasbro are doing it.

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>Hurr Durr Geewon!
You don't even need to be one of those to know Bayformer designs were fucking trash

>Would have been fine, but they made Bumblebee himself a huge pussy who couldn't even fight.
THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT BUMBLEBEE FUCKING IS, YOU QUEER. HE'S A FUCKING SCOUT.

Ah a man of culture and hairmetal

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>just a grey man with a big fuck off canon
That's why it's so great.

I thought Geewunners all died of Corona?

Blackout, Scorponok, Bumblebee vs Barricade, Optimus vs Bonecrusher, Starscream taking down the Air Force, yes, it excites me even just thinking about it. Too bad the final battle blows outside of Bumbleebee shooting and as you said, Sam is a nothing character who is neurotic and treats Bumblebee as his property. Spielberg taking him as his protegé made it seem as if he had gone senile.
The score still rocks. The actual score not the soundtrack.

>Even IF, how mainstreamish does a person have be to not know that TF is a franchise mainly consisting of comics and cartoons and not some recent shitty movie versions.
They just have to be of a certain age, aka 2000s kids, born too late for the Beast Era

From RiD - Armada - Energon - Cybertron, Transformers was kind of like on a "fans only care" level as it was on TV as shitty anime that got the same kind of treatment as stuff like Zoids and Bakugan and Ultimate Muscle that practically nobody watched cause it wasn't Pokemon or Yu Gi Oh or Digimon

>Let's make an animated film that embodies what was so great about the 80's
Success.

I agree, but it's also not as distinct as Optimus or Bumblebee, and it doesn't help that his design was not really used for years in media outside of comics and only really came back after the movie.
Sam is just a selfinsert asshole for douchebag "nice guys".
The fights are really cool, but few of them actually matter that much in the end and certainly doesn't work thematically about the "coming of age story" that is Sam's story, it's really disconnected.

Transformers is from the 80's you retard, not the fucking 1950s. The oldest Transformers fans are like late 30s

>problem is that Megs is kinda generic, being just a grey man with a big fuck off canon
I think grey guys aren't really common unless they are rectangular little bots or something and Megs' helmet is pretty iconic. The main problem aside from ugliness I have with Bay designs is that they feel like non-designs to me. They look like some scrapped metal heaps someone glued together.

>The fights are really cool, but few of them actually matter that much in the end and certainly doesn't work thematically about the "coming of age story" that is Sam's story, it's really disconnected.
Spielberg hires Bay to do that 'coming of age story'. Major failure but people came for the robots anyway.
The actual 'coming of age story' finally gets made 10 years later completely on accident and basically with no involvement from Spielberg.
It's telling that Spielberg nabbed the writer as soon as he could.

God I remember those times, and I honestly miss them, the UT had some really cool concepts, ideas and designs.
Where is my Generations Armada Prime damn it?
Have you seen Geewunners? They're Americans, always drinking coke and has probably not worked out since the 80s

>Geewunners
They still hate Hot Rod and will badmouth Beast Wars even though a good chunk of them were so thirsty for it back in the day, ungrateful pricks.

Ironically, at least for TF itself I find him more distinct than Optimus because there are barely any unicolored bots out there, let alone grey guys, whereas there are a bunch of red-white-blues and robots with very similar attributes as Optimus like same mouth pieces and stuff.

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I grew up with G1 and while I had a bit of TRUKK NOT MUNKY back in the day, I fuckin' love Beast Wars. It's still one of the best Transformers ANYTHING. G1 Hot Rod deserves to be melted down, but other versions are fine.

She wanted to fuck that robot didn't she?

Yes.

This isn't even a contest. Bumblebee.

Bumblebee, hands down. Not even a contest.

Contest, this isn't even a Bumblebee.

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Bumblebee is the better film but nothing tops this score.

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oh yeah

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How is this even a contest? Bumblebee, by a mile.

One UT Optimus is all you get

I don't think anyone was thirsty for Beast Wars when it came out, it was a pretty huge chance and honestly, if it wasn't for the TV show and thanks to Mainframe, it probably would have been a big failure gone the way of G.I. Joe Extreme

There is a chance it could have succeeded off toy sales alone, but with a crappy cartoon I doubt it would have lasted long nor be remembered fondly at all today.

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>samefagging this hard

Unironically this. Fuck bumblebee. It's just a shitty version of The Iron Giant.

I genuinely like most of Bayformers 1. Apart from a couple extremely unfunny scenes (like when Bumblebee pisses on the CIA agent, or anything involving Sam's friends and family), it doesn't indulge in a lot of Bayformers' later excesses. The designs are mostly recognizable in motion in the first movie, and there are fewer robots over all to mix up with one another. The voice cast does good work.

Bumblebee is fun and has (mostly) better designs, but it IS generic. It's a lot like the Sonic movie: a better-than-expected execution of what it is, but what it IS is a pretty generic and formulaic movie plot painted and dubbed over to be about a recognizable multimedia franchise.

That said, if Bumblebee leads to subsequent movies, there's no way they turn out worse than Transformers 2. Giant fucking robot testicles. The weed brownie scene. The blackface and redneck robot duo that never shut up. Jesus fucking Christ, what a useless clusterfuck.

>I don't think anyone was thirsty for Beast Wars when it came out
Not when it came out, but when they started referencing G1.

Are you bots?

You want to talk samefagging?

I'm starting to suspect warring Paramount executives make these threads to get feedback and then shitpost the exact same threads they made in the first place.

I hope this is the case because then maybe they will realize that I hate their shit and want more stuff that is like the comics and cartoons.

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That's because you're noided. I just make this thread because anytime I come to Yas Forums I need a Transformers thread, and you have to cycle between the different series lest the discussion gets stale and nobody posts.

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Bumblebee, though Transformers(2007) has a great score, particularly "Arrival to Earth".

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Anyone who defends TF1 was probably 5 years old when it came out. Fuck you faggot zoomers, I was a freshman in high school, we all thought it was fucking gay and shat on the characters but our dumbfuck parents and younger siblings loved it

This. I always use such threads to derail them to general TF talk to generally talk about TF.

Who cares what some normalfag teen though. If you were a Freshman in 2007, that means you didn't even have any good Transformers series as a kid anyway.

You could just talk about Transformers on /m/ with the adults rather than here with the tumblr legbeards and manchildren

BEAST WARS, ROBOTS IN DISGUISE 2000, AND ARMADA. Suck my cock kid

Bumblebee is a better movie by conventional standards. But Bayformers is way more fun. I'm in it for the latter.

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Not him but the last time I visited /m/ for another series it was one of those general circlejerks you find in a lot of specific boards where the threads have the exact same posters for a decade that have fused to a single hivemind long ago and daring to have an opinion only slightly different from the hivemind will trigger them/it. Wasn't transformers related but still.