>Mai
Does this spelling bug the shit out of anyone else? Maybe it's just my autism, but I feel like you can't tell how to pronounce her name by looking at it. It should have either been spelled "May" or "Mei". Either one would have made more sense, given how you say her name. Instead they tried to split the difference between Eastern and Western spellings, and you just wind up with a name that looks like it should be pronounced "My".
>Maybe it's just my autism
Case closed. Book him, Danno.
true, it should've been Mei instead of Mai, considering how they pronounce it Mei
Sort of like Em Naight Shamalamb making Sokka as "Sokka" when that actually makes more sense than "Sahka" in the series. That's what happens when you don't have voice directors that know languages when people are voice acting.
No, I remembered it reminded me of Tai from Digimon
Maybe because the characters aren't actually japanese they are fantasy characters in a fantasy setting that takes some design queues from japan.
Explain why Azula's name isn't Azura.
Even by American standards is "Aang" spelled wrong in the show.
"Æng"
Ong was a better way to pronounce his name anyway and I've always believed the movie was justified in that.
Hijacking this stupid thread because its the only one in the catalogue.
I was just thinking about this but how exactly are these two the bad guys? They didn't even do anything wrong. Burning the earth kingdom was a dumb idea but it was a war.
Imagine you are just an ordinary citizen of the Fire Nation, living your life and hoping that your country wins the war like anyone would do.
These two are literal heroes, who have done nothing except make the Fire Nation prosperous and secure against their foreign enemies.
Literally explain to me why these two are in any way bad guys.
Did you miss the part where the Firelord burns his son's face for a rather frivolous reason? That is evil behaviour.
>These two are literal heroes
So is Genghis Khan, but not for the people he trampled and made mountains of bones out of. Also, unlike good ol papa Khan, these two lost. So no laurels for them to mitigate the demonization.
should I make a separate thread about this? I actually don't understand how you can see them as villains if you're looking at it from the perspective of anyone in the fire nation.
when youre at war with another country there are teams. they hate you as much as you hate them and theres nothing really morally superior about either side.
meh, it will probably get archived because nobody gives a shit about ATLA anymore outside the subreddit which is gay and underage.
Who gives a shit about Zuko?
Honestly and I'm not even memeing.
Zuko's pity party has nothing to do with the success of the Fire Nation. Get over it, they were in the middle of fighting a war against the rest of the world, and they are vastly outnumbered as a people, and Zuko being a stupid shit would put the whole family at risk of their heads being on pikes.
Thats life. Conquest is history. People only hate the winners because they won, if they hadn't someone else would have just come along and done the same shit.
A bunch of the characters have chinese names that are pronounced completely wrong.
"Zhao" should be pronounced almost like "Jao",
"Yue" literally means moon, but is a totally different sound. "Tui and La" are chinese words for push and pull, but someone didn't look up how pinyin works because Tui should be "tway". It sounds super wrong and I'm not sure why they didn't get it right.
>it will probably get archived because nobody gives a shit about ATLA anymore
What do you expect? ATLA ended twelve years ago and Korra six. We've aready talked about all of it several times and the only new things that come out in these conversations are our own analysis or when we swap fanart and stuff.
You came late to the party, user.
In the credits of the series they have Cultural consultants and caligraphyst, but no linguist.
Also don't be surprised, user. All that is Asian in this series is the surface, not the actual content. No matter how hard it tries it can't hide its plot was written in the west.
I watched every episode after season 2 the day it aired. So I'm not late, just autistic.
Further evidence Ozai and Azula are not villains.
>People only hate the winners because they won
People usually really get mad about the genocides & massacres. Regardless, if you consider there to be a standard of morality, killing innocents is usually considered bad, so that would make Ozai a bad guy.
>All that is Asian in this series is the surface, not the actual content. No matter how hard it tries it can't hide its plot was written in the west.
lol based, its funny to me when people cry that not casting these characters as asian would be "stealing" something from them, it was never yours in any way other than aesthetics
>People usually really get mad about the genocides & massacres
k, but I find it hard to care about the in-universe genocide of the airbenders. not only did our two supposed villains have anything to do with it but theres not even really an explanation of why it happened or what it is theyre referring to when they say a genocide, in this universe. I'm willing to bet there was a fight between air nomads and the fire nation on air nomad turf and the air benders lost badly. Therefore, "genocide".
>Regardless, if you consider there to be a standard of morality, killing innocents is usually considered bad,
What is any war in the history of the planet? You're just naive and moralizing.
>theres not even really an explanation of why it happened or what it is theyre referring to when they say a genocide, in this universe.
Watch the show, ano. the episodes aren't that long.
>People usually really get mad about the genocides & massacres.
Only if said acts get plenty of media attention or the group getting killed has plenty of influence. If they don't then the thing will end up like Armenian or Cambodian genocides and be mostly forgotten by the world at large.
>What is any war in the history of the planet? You're just naive and moralizing.
Yes, many innocents are killed in wars. Most times they're chalked up to collateral damage. But once you get enough soldiers killing enough unarmed innocents, that's called a war crime, wherein the soldiers are deemed bad guys & can be punished via trial.
Remember how they went into the korra comics and decided to retcon Sozin to be a homophobe who banned homosexual relationships to make him appear more evil?
I'm pretty sure the man didn't give a shit about sexual preferences he just cared about ensuring the fire nation got it's rightful rule over the world.
They're antagonists, but they're not necessarily villains. They have moments of personal villainy but that's because all fiction is written with a conflict between protagonist (usually but not always your main character/s) and antagonist, and some times the antagonist isn't a person but a concept or a force of nature. So, diagetically, they're the 'bad guys' because Avatar is about Aang and stopping the Fire Nation, and there's nothing more to say about that, you might as well argue why water is wet and not dry, but you could make a case that they're not villains.
And what war crime did Ozai or Azula ever commit other than the ridiculous earth kingdom shit at the VERY end of the series that was clearly only ever written because they needed Ozai to be doing something dramatic?
>when you are so butthurt about not getting to practoce arse banditry that you ban butt piracy altogether
I would think the plan to burn a whole kingdom alive is enough to qualify as a bad guy.
Alliances are way more beneficial to a country's well being than waging wars and making everyone hate you, especially in the context of a world like TLA.
Water bending doctors could work in Fire Nation hospitals.
Earth and metal bending construction workers could help build Fire Nation cities.
A fleet of competent air benders and a water benders could literally control the weather, thus preventing any kind of weather-related natural disaster.
The Fire Nation could have really benefited from having powerful allies like that, but instead they decided to just kill and terrorize the people that could have helped them.
Its been years dude and I don't care to watch this again, honestly. But I vaguely remember aang whining about it in a few episodes.
So was my guess right, then?
>Ozai has deposited two Good Boy Points into Azula's account
Sozin knew that the next Avatar would be an airbender, so he had the fire nation kill all airbenders to make sure that the Avatar wouldn't rise against him. Killing everyone of a certain ethnic/cultural group is considered genocide.
>war crime,
You're talking about a modern concept coined during the end of the 19th and start of the 20th century by the international law. Before it examples of anything similar are sparse and don't go back to more than 600 years.Before that massacres weren't war crimes, just something that could happen for a pletora of reasons.
>So was my guess right, then?
No. In The Avatar and the Firelord episode Sozin writes in his diary how he burned down the Air Temples and killed all the nomads to get the Avatar.
The Fire Nation was by far the most advanced country in the ATLA world. They had fucking trains for fucks sake while the Earth Kingdom was still rolling around in the dirt. They had no need of them. Anything they could learn or use from those countries wouldn't be hard with their colonies. They were spreading development across the nations and gaining access to their resources in the process, that was the intent of the war. And clearly the Fire Nation had the highest quality of life, or at the very least was the richest, of any of the countries so I'd say its working.
True enough. Still had nothing to do with Ozai and Azula, and anyway holding off the Avatar for 100 years was good for the Fire Nation.
So you're saying that for 3 entire seasons minus 4 episodes, Ozai and Azula were not bad guys?
Well thanks for agreeing with my original point, then.
Speaking of the Air Temples and the Fire Nation. Why are there so many corpses of firebenders left in the Southern Air Temple? Their side fucking won and they could fart fire. Why be such humongous assholes as to left your dead rot there instead of at least making them an impromptu funerary pyre?
Why couldn't the Air Nomads just defend themselves from the fire nation?
They did, but by throwing more and more troops at them and then getting a powerup by the comet the Fire Nation won.
They retconned Sozin to be a homophobe and they retconned Ozai to be a misogynist. All because they realized the Fire Nation had a righteous cause all along and they didn't know what to do about it. lel
Sure there wasn't a legal component to ancient warfare, but I think there would always be a moral lens that you can analyze these events through. I get that times were more savage back in the day, but most people can look back & say Tamerlane, Genghis Khan, Emicho de Flonheim and loads of others could still be considered bad guys.
Thats not a genocide, thats just losing.
>They were spreading development across the nations and gaining access to their resources in the process
>that was the intent of the war.
What if I told you there was a way to get access to another nation's resources without wasting money, without risking the safety of your own countrymen, and without the guilt of slaughtering an entire race of people?
Lol my guy, why do you think European expansion into Africa and the Americas happened?
Maybe you should have just told them there was another way to get access to their resources, you fucking brainlet.
Based off my hazy recollection, let's see:
Ozai orchestrated the regicide of his father.
Ozai continued the war & imprisonment of other nations
Azula hunted the person trying to end the war
Not war crimes, but actions of bad guys.
There are plenty of countries and historical figures who have done worse yet history remembers them as heroes.
>it happened and therefore there was no other way we are locked into a railroad track of causality
You are so fucking stupid, holy shit. It's always the smoothest-brained ones that are so confident in their no-IQ takes.
>Ozai orchestrated the regicide of his father.
The only legitimate example.
>Ozai continued the war & imprisonment of other nations
whoosh you've missed the point.
>Azula hunted the person trying to end the war
Azula was a patriot fighting for her own country to win the war, this is literally a good thing and exactly what makes her not a villain.
>but I think there would always be a moral lens that you can analyze these events through.
Universal morality doesn't exist (except for a handful of very simple and rudimentary social laws). Morality pivots on the culture from which we look at things, from the Roman perspective they were the good guys that destroyed evil Carthage.
>but most people can look back & say Tamerlane, Genghis Khan, Emicho de Flonheim and loads of others could still be considered bad guys.
Tell that to any Nation that may consider them heroes and see how they respond.
Genocide is killing/trying to kill an entire specific group of people to the last man.
If you're going to say something like:
>They participated in the war if they actively fought.
They didn't. They did not have an army. They stayed in their temples when the Fire Nation surrounded them and defended themselves.
I'm giving you historical examples that are comparable to the actions of a fictional country, dumbass.
>If you're going to say something like:
>>They participated in the war if they actively fought.
>They didn't. They did not have an army. They stayed in their temples when the Fire Nation surrounded them and defended themselves.
Well why didn't they have an army? What serious country doesnt have an army or defense system
The statement:
>What if I told you there was a way to get access to another nation's resources without wasting money, without risking the safety of your own countrymen, and without the guilt of slaughtering an entire race of people?
Your response:
>No thE EuRoPeans Did It THis WaY So It CoUlD OnLY Be ThRoUgh WAR AND CONQUEST 1488 YEAH GETM
I'm glad your genetic line is ending with you.
Jesus you're such an obnoxious and hysterical piece of shit. Calm down sperg. Someone brings up European expansion as an example, and it triggers you this badly that you have start screaming and mouthing off meme numbers. Get a grip psychopath.
>What serious country doesnt have an army or defense system
They were pacifists monks, that's why they lived in temples that were segregated by sex. They didn't exist as "countries" in the modern sense of the word. If you have anymore questions just go watch the show, user. You're a big boy and I can't spoonfeed you forever.
If they were pacifists why did they even fight back? They should have just accepted their end without taking fire nation soldiers with them to the grave.
whyd you post twice.
not the same guy.
they sound like retards.
Your missing the point. War, and in general all acts of violence, are bad on the principle someone is worth more to you as an ally than as an enemy. Any incentive for fighting a war can be acquired more easily through peaceful negotiation and diplomacy.
Less people have to die, less time and money needs to be spent on killing each other, more time and money spent on innovation, quality of life flourishes, everybody wins.
What do you have against world peace?
Better to remove savages than share resources with them.
People will reject what you say because it is the truth.
>Why be such humongous assholes as to left your dead rot there instead of at least making them an impromptu funerary pyre?
>Why be such humongous assholes
wow it's almost like these people who are alright with commiting genocide and slaughtering men, women and children ARE humongous assholes
Yeah just sell out your countrymen for cheap foreign trade and labour, why didn't the fire nation think of that?
>these people
Racist.
Committing genocide is valid if done in the name & security of your country.
This is probably exactly what Zuko the Traitor did immediately after being crowned. They should make a sequel show about how civil war breaks out over crappy a ruler Zuko is because he doesn't understand anything other than feelings and never really gave a shit about the FN's best interest.
I will say Azula isn't a villain, she never did anything truly evil she was just a child soldier