I'm trying to put my finger on what bugged me about Onward...
I think the main thing is that it was consistently "fine" but never more than "fine," when a concept like "magical creatures have normalized into a modern setting, and then there's A Quest" should produce really great material.
That and the fact that Ian Lightfoot's design is just so damn unremarkable.
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DESU it should've just been a Barley and Ian going on a real DND style trip, and instead of trying to find a phoenix down for their daddy it's to satisfy Barleys boner for a adventure so he wouldn't kill himself
...That's dark, user.
But it'll probably be a first for Disney
Black Cauldron exists, user.
That's retarded. The strongest element in the picture was that the quest accidentally let Barley encourage Ian and build up his confidence. Temp resurrecting Dad was a bad Quest, but Barley was fine. Didn't need to be suicidal
A couple of things:
Lack of quotable lines.
>You are a sad, strange little man
>I'll kidnap a thousand children before I let this company die
>Just keep swimming
>When everyone's super, no one is
Onward had nothing on par with these. I would say the dialogue in general was lacking, which is why the first half of the movie drags so much.
It also lacked any stand-out animation scenes. Up has a 10 minute silent intro, Inside Out had photo-realistic baby Riley, Coco had photo-realistic Coco face, etc. Onward didn't do anything to push CGI animation forward in any way.
The only thing that was on par with the great Pixar films was the way it ended.
>Changing Barley's personality to make him bleak
How about fucking no? He was the better of the two protagonists, a total bro in every sense of the word. Ian was almost unbearably limp-wristed, to the point of having no friends at all at school. Good fucking God.
Having them try to bring back their dad was a bit on the nose, but if they'd gone on a Quest for some other reason (NOT BECAUSE BARLEY WAS SUICIDAL), sure, that might make for a better movie.
>The only thing that was on par with the great Pixar films was the way it ended.
muh feels?
I know, it's just a cliche for Disney to have Dead parents as key points and maybe a darker story would go better with a DND setting like this, then again I don't know much about DND
Not just that, but there were rules to the magic and consequences for messing things up.
>neither Ian nor the mom got to reunite with the dad, Ian has to just watch them from afar
>we don't actually hear what the dad tells Barley.
Compare with Frozen II's "lok jk Arendelle is perfectly fine and there are no lasting consequences for anything that happened."
>comparing little girls movie to a pixar one
lel.
All movies are for little girls
>little girls movie
user where do you think you are?
Ironic that this movie, of all movies, has the least amount of SOUL I've ever seen in a feature film.
I'm not saying his personality would change, I'm just saying that he would also be dying on the inside
I dunno, I felt Barley was... well, I've known people like him. He felt real. Ian felt like an exaggerated-to-the-point-of-implausibility character though. Fucking Linquini would have shoved that kid in a locker and stolen his lunch money.
I just wanted Brütal Legend: The Movie
Is that too much to ask?
Heavy Metal?
Probably.
But they should have at least have been able to pull off a second-rate knockoff of The Adventure Zone in movie form. A little humor, a little adventure, a little modern world, all mixed in with fantasy. Coulda been great. Instead we got kids noticing what direction birds' beaks were pointing in, and watching their dad dance badly.
Probably, it does look like another generic safe jew cgi cartoon , thats what gets produced anymore.
It's edgeless. Even though I liked the film.
This is something that begged for a few metal tracks, some violent zombie fights, a betrayal, and a smidgen of romance. This is the rare film that is all filling but no spices, and we've tasted that filling many times before.
Onward needed a little Heavy Trip in its veins, a line of Gwar in its nose, and some Flash Gordon in its pants.
Oh anons didn't you hear, rock music is satanic and evil there's no way. His music has devils and demons in it ( and he even curses..*gasp*), we wouldn't want to scare the kiddies and have them worshiping evil now would we? Best we just keep them in their safe space and stunt their intelligence with repetitive kid stories from the bible until they grow up, that's the only reasonable approach!
Ian pretty much *was* Linguini, except turned from a character into a hamfisted life lesson (look, he's a total loser, but he can be a total badass! You can do it, whoo!).
Everything in the movie, down to the last joke, expression and emotional moment feels designed by the committee. Frozen 2 is a narrative mess and not a good movie at all, but you can at least see glimpses of some semi-original ideas and relationship development there. Onward doesn't have even that.
would've been received better if the designs wasnt so ugly
What does the Japanese title say?
It was comfy and fun.
Can go deeper and mix the two. Make Barely the reluctant villain. He knows his brother is smart and may be wizard material.
Takes him on a quest to help him out with something, only to learn he is gonna have his bro use magic to bring back dad, but that's bad magic because its promoted by ill will or sadness or insert shitty message here.
Also the movie suffers from plateauing with "its just okay" which is bad from a company that is known for having a good wow factor somewhere.
Jesus user you are giving me flashbacks, I’d almost forgotten how annoying biblethumpers were and how toothless and bland their favored media is.
What's with the 2 and 1 in the title?
any link of MEGA
The Japanese title of Onward is 1/2 Magic.
>I'm trying to put my finger on what bugged me about Onward...
>I think the main thing is that it was consistently "fine" but never more than "fine,"
What was the last theatrical animated movie that blew you away? The issue is more that you are getting older and jaded as your childhood fades.
Now you get infatuated with niche geek cartoon shows (while violently hating others), and possibly Weeb a lot.
And even that is assuming you also don't have severe the 'Tism.
That was good but it was different.
I find Baalbuddys art strikes a nice balance.
Also check em
It's a comedy but with no jokes that land or characters that grows. It's like trying a new sitcom by picking an episode at random in season 7
Or watching MASH
I wonder if this is any better.
>like trying a new sitcom by picking an episode at random in season 7
As a boomer, gotta say, ouch.
I loved Zootropolis but then realized it was just beatiful CGI.
Is that...Wreck it Ralph?
How are they so fast with those bootleg clones?
In any other movie with a backstory about a terminally ill man desperately learning magic so that he can defy death and use necromancy to meet his unborn son, that guy would become a supervillain. I think it’s funny that here it’s just a device to kick off a wholesome family road trip.
best boy
I feel that the very premice of this "resurection" is creepy to begin with. Imagine dying then being alive again for a few minutes then dying again with a clear timer on your head. All that because some teens have some hormonal phases about you. This is really selfish.
I watched it, did find it fine but it got me in the mood to watch a real pixar movie
then I rewatched Wall-E, it is not even close when you compare both
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>because some teens have some hormonal phases about you
To be fair, the dad’s specifications were that the mom give them the staff “when they were both OVER 17” (or 16 or whatever I don’t remember). Right from the trailers I assumed he wasn’t expecting her to give it to them right snack dab on the younger one’s 17th birthday, and he was just setting a low limit for when they might be mature enough, hoping a she’d have the sense to hold back and wait a few more years if they weren’t. Then it turned out she didn’t. But then again, maybe if he’d told her what it was, she might have acted differently. It is amazing she just stashed it in the attic and didn’t even peek to see what it was for over one and a half decades.
It was never supposed to only bring him back for a few minutes, the plan was for it to bring him back for an entire day. Which is kinda worse because then he’d have hours to stew in the sense of impending inevitability that he was just gonna get poofed dead again.
>when a concept like "magical creatures have normalized into a modern setting, and then there's A Quest" should produce really great material.
Not when it's made by and for boomers who don't give a fuck about fantasy.
another problem I have with it is that it has too many ideas, pixar movies generally have 2 ideas and they focus on it in an unnusual background
Toy story - being replaced by something new and a road trip but with toyr
A bug's life - being accepted even if you're a little bit of a fuck up/ the class struggle but with bugs
wall-e - enviromental message and a love story but with cute robots
this is like a million things
road trip movie, coming of age, becoming confident, lack of parent with magical creatures I guess but them being magical creatures don't make the movie unique at all I guess
the movie is a mess, it is not bad but it feels like a shitty drawing with very thick lines that are trying to cover the errors
why the hell music from 50s fits so well to wastelands?
I still can’t think of any good reason for Barley to not own a phone or for them to not make a quick stop to pick up a burner phone other than “it was made by boomers and they couldn’t figure out a way to fit cell phones in the story.”
>muh boomer
Do you even know who made that shit lmao? You fucking zoomers are literally backstabbing each others now.
Brutal legend was a shitty game
Heavy Metal was based.
It's fucking disney
It’s a boomer movie, user. Barley’s whole character revolves around the concept “these darned millennials won’t move out of their mothers’ houses cuz they’re lazy and immature!” And even though he turned out to be a good big brother, every character still believed him to overall be a loser and that was still always treated as his one major flaw.
There’s more that makes this a boomer movie, but I’m just giving you one of the big ones to start.
Yeah that's good, and maybe when they're about to resurrect the dad the mom reveals that he was a shitty good for nothing person (or elf in this case) and she just didn't want to upset them at a young age
>it's muh boomer because I say it's muh boomer, I am NOT a boomer so boomers are wrong and I hate boomers fuck boomer bark bark bark boomer
At first I thought you actually wanted to make an argument and were disagreeing that a word was being applied incorrectly, but now I’m just thinking that you’re the one that has no idea what the word even means and are just upset that people are using a new buzzword you don’t happen to like for whatever arbitrary reason.
Isn't the whole thrust of the movie one big Boomer Cartoon about how magic is mostly dead because elves got iPad?
Huh. Didn't think of it like that. But no, they also go "centaurs don't run because cars."
Look who wrote Onward
>Dan Scanlon, Monsters University screenwriter
>Keith Bunin, Horns screenwriter
>Jason Headley, A Bad Idea Gone Wrong screenwriter