Tfw Steven Universe peaked at The Return/Jailbreak

Season 1 is the only good season of this show

Future alone is better than Season 1a

Nah, there were still very high highs such as Mr. Greg and A Single Pale Rose

And yet the way it was executed made it feel like the most important event the show had to offer. Execution is everything.

Simply cannot prove you wrong

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Nah. It peaked when this little strumpet showed up.

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This

And Season 1b is the best this show had to offer. With Peridot's redemption coming 2nd.

>She doesn't have to suffer the consequences at all
Her entire legacy and reputation is in ruin after the truth came out. The Crystal Gems are now who they are in spite of Rose Quartz, not because of her

Steven Universe peaked several times:
>Ocean Gem

>The return/JailBreak

>Are you my dad/I'm my mom/Homeworld arc

I agree it would have been better if pink had gotten a little more hate in future. I was hoping for Steven to burn her painting.

nah it peaked either at the trio of episodes Sworn to the Sword, Keeping it Together and We need to Talk, or at Peridot's arc. Hit the Diamond, even though it was a really cute and fun episode on its own, sealed the fate of the show to never really reach the levels of kino it implied earlier on

Jasper was great in Future though.
>If you're trying to be alone, you're doing it wrong.

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genndy should have stuck with this show after the pilot.

The way the resolved Malachite and the Cluster was the first major red flags for me that the show was making odd choices. They built up both of those things as huge plot arcs, barely do anything with them all season and then immediately resolve both, back-to-back, in regular 11 minute episodes. This show at its peak was so good, it's honestly a huge disappointment they threw it all away.

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Damn why didn't he stay? The show probably would've actually stayed coherent and consistent if he did.

Visually it peaked right here.

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I had the same exact thought process as you with the Malachite and Cluster stuff. I just thought it was so weird how they were literally resolved back to back. I had never watched a animated plot heavy show do something like that so badly.

I honestly assume Rebecca Sugar wanted to have an "Everyone is each other's boss!" environment and he was smart enough to know that the show would go to shit because of it
I think she learned her lesson when she fired Zuke, though

Malachite vs Alexandrite should have been multiple fights across Season 3 in a multitude of different locations
It's honestly amazing that fight wasn't at the temple since EVERY OTHER FUCKING FIGHT IS

Hmm, not a fan

I think we can all agree that they know how to build up to something, but resolution is almost always ass.

SJ season 5

it would have been a fucking masterpiece if he did. the slow, methodical exploration style that genndy had would have meshed perfectly with sugars characterization.

That's what gets me. They had enough material with those 2 plot lines to fill up an entire season, but they largely ignored it the entire time. They wasted two hugely interested and well built up plots for a bunch of towny stuff. In the later seasons the gems even start to feel like background characters in their own show because it focuses on the townies so much.

It’s really weird how the show goes from being incredibly slow paced to being incredibly fast paced like that. It took two episodes to deal with both of those but FIVE EPISODES to deal with Connie being a bit pissed at Steven for him sacrificing himself. It doesn’t help that shortly after that all of the diamonds got dealt with in lightning fast speed.

God, imagine this show with good pacing and with Sadie and Lars as the only townies

>But resolution is almost always ass
Not really. The only times they really screwed the pooch were the Malachite/Cluster eps being back to back and Change Your Mind. The latter was so egregiously bad though considering that was meant to wrap up everything the show was building up to so it really sticks in people's heads

sugar might have wanted to go in alone, or he just didnt feel he needed too. although it does seem like he was interested in the show, given all the notes he left.

We spent five episodes on Connie being annoyed about The Trial but skipped Steven dismantling the authoritarian Gem Empire that's been ruling over the universe for millions of years

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>gems felt like background characters in the later seasons
Holy shit this. To be fair, what else was there for them to do? The secret's already out that Garnet's a fusion so she doesn't have much to do, Amethyst had her arc in Season 3, and even Pearl had most of her story resolved in Mr. Greg. Only thing left to do was go into Pearl's true past with PD, which admittedly was kino and explained so much about her obsession with Rose. She was literally programmed to be slavishly obedient to her

I honestly think if this show had been handled better it could have been one of the best cartoons of the decade.

Oh for sure. Hopefully when Sugar makes a new show she actually fights for creative control. Did she really have a true say in anything besides Garnet being a fusion and Rose Quartz being Pink Diamond?

From what I understand this show was her baby. She and her husband ran it for like 2 seasons before he left to make OK KO. I think the issue is that the plot is good but the story is shit. Lots of interesting things happen, but the narrative fails to highlight the parts we actually want to know about.

It hurts
The bright side is that Cartoon Network seems to HATE that it even exists so they might be willing to sell it to someone for a reboot

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I'd argue it peaked earlier with Mirror Gem and Ocean Gem. Those were 10/10 episodes. Kinda sad that Lapis was 1000x better in her introductory episodes than in any of her many later appearances.

yes
no

I'd be down for a Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood type situation with this show.

my brother. I held out all these years for Lapis to do some cool shit. At the very fucking least interact with the main trio. Best I got was Hit the Diamond. At least the fanart has been bountiful.

Should have given lapis, bismuth and peridot bigger roles

>Steven Universe Brotherhood
What would even change?

>No filler
>No farm arc
>Peridot and Lapis actually become main characters

Peridot and Lapis go to the temple instead of Zuke's fan fiction barn
The Diamonds don't get redeemed in one episode or maybe at all
At least two townies die and at least one gem gets shattered before Steven can fix it
Something interesting happens with the cluster

tbqh i think blue and yellow were good candidates for redemption. they really only did the things they did because of white and their sadness about pink. white im not so sure.

Someone should make a comic or a fanfic fic over this

There's no actually good source material to base it on though
Brotherhood was just an adaptation of the whole manga to make up for the first anime going full retard when it ran out of manga content

That weird limbo period after Jailbreak was felt pretty weird. All those new fans suddenly getting into the show and everyone hoping for lore bombs and plot resolutions(the Diamond Authority being real, the Cluster, Malachite, etc).

God it feels like it happened only yesterday, and not 5 years ago.

While Rose's message of peace, love, freedom and identity lost a lot of meaning once it was revealed that she was actually Pink Diamond, I'm really mad that her send-off was "She makes me unconfortable. Let's shove her in the closet." She made a lot of sacrfices (by-product of her own dumbassery) for everyone to be who they are now and by the end of it all she becomes a non-entity. Meanwhile the other three Diamonds, who kept on mainting a galaxy-spawning sort of fasisct ethnostate and overall made a whole lot of hurt get accepted and forgiven for their crimes in little less than three years. I keep reading a lot about people watching this show but the context of latter episodes make the first ones and their messages way less special.

With better pacing and some changes to the story I don't think it would be hard for a director with a more concrete vision to polish up the show.

anyone got the mega?

The pilot had better storytelling.

Yeah I remember
That's when the show really went downhill because that's exactly where they should have picked up the pace but instead they chose to twiddle their thumbs and flop around with filler, leading to the show losing it's momentum, losing it's way, and then they wound up having to rush the ending
> Peridemption okay
> Lapis redemption fucked by Zuke
> Lars' redemption took too long and wound up being totally underutilized
> Bismuth was okay but sort of felt like an afterthought, like her VA suddenly had more time and they decided to try and work her back in
> Diamond's redemption started pretty good but rushed as hell once they got to Homeworld
> Jasper completely and totally fucked over holy shit they ruined her
Fucking shit man

The episodes surrounding Aquamarine/the Trial are criminally underrated
>Steven paying for his naivete
>high stakes, with Aquamarine literally saying she's going to kill the townies
>first good look at Homeworld
>the clusterfuck that was the trial
>Lars fucking dies and goes from one of the worst characters in the show to one of the best within minutes
Too bad the following episodes utterly failed to carry that momentum

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I agree with this as well

I honestly didn't feel much when that arc happened. And I don't know why. I guess I just found Aquamarine hard to take seriously.