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Think somewhere they find out that killing him in the avatar state stops the re-incarnation process, it's gets complicated.

It can sometimes be a bit too lighthearted in serious moments, although the most serious moments maintain a good tone.
A handful of bad episodes exist, which mean that the show doesn't have a spotless record. This is true of nearly every show but hey, it's technically a flaw.
As you already mentioned, choppy animation in the first season.
Sokka was seriously sidelined in terms of his ability to help the group. 11/10 comic relief character but he barely got any fighting in, and it would have been a nice way to round out a team of benders with a regular fighter.

Yeah even more unbelievable than Azula losing a fight to Zuko was how retarded she was acting in the palace, banishing everyone including the Dai Li who were like her personal willing slaves
this the same character that masterminded the downfall of the earth kingdom in like a week

I always thought the meshing of comedy and drama in the show was poorly done. The jokes would always drain the tension and the drama would always sour the humor instead of complimenting or enhancing each other.

Yeah, that was an insult to readers and lazy writing, could have really upped the game if they spend more time on that. The oozai battle was good enough, but azula/zuko finale was shit.

>Aang gets his powers back at the very last second by BUMPING INTO A ROCK

No, both Ozai and Azula should have won given the circumstances. They only lost because its a stupid ass childrens cartoon. Their defeat is completely inexcusable.

The defeat was fine, the means by which the defeat happened were kind of fucking bullshit.

Fans will scream the energy bending was foreshadowed by the turtle but that fucker even came out of nowhere.

It happens to people with a spinal-cord injury. We know they were going to loose it's a kid's cartoon, but how makes all the difference. Oozai had very little screentime we didn't see him do anything, we have no idea about his powers or character. It's easier to accept something stupid.

Azula had that screentime, we know everything we see doesn't make any sense.

I love how it became 'canon' he can just wipe out bending super easy, even though it was supposed to be hard and needed to be unbendable and he almost lost despite element of suprise. Like really? Nobody after that thought to mentally prepare himself for a beter defence?

Ozai's defeat is not fine, niggers. The only reason you even say this is because its obvious it had to happen at some point. Did you know there was supposed to be a season 4? Did you know the only reason they ended it with season 3 is because brian and mike wanted to focus on the movie? Did you? Now that you know that tell me Ozai and Azula's defeat is acceptable the way they decided to do it when they could have easily just made a season 4 and made their defeats make even a slight bit of sense.

>Azula had that screentime, we know everything we see doesn't make any sense.
what are you talking about, what screentime? the only time we ever see her not being a frothing bad guy is in the finale and a little bit in the beach

>what are you talking about, what screentime? the only time we ever see her not being a frothing bad guy is in the finale and a little bit in the beach
screetime is screentime, we get to see her character, abilities and competences. Thus we know everything happened in the finale was bs of the lowest tier.

>Did you know there was supposed to be a season 4? Did you know the only reason they ended it with season 3 is because brian and mike wanted to focus on the movie? Did you? Now that you know that tell me Ozai and Azula's defeat is acceptable the way they decided to do it when they could have easily just made a season 4 and made their defeats make even a slight bit of sense.
Yes I did, and I said the means by which they were defeated were fucking bullshit. Why the fuck did you even include me in your response retard, I literally agree with you.

>Be azula
>kill the avatar
>kill the avatar in the avatar state so he cant reincarnate
>whoops lol avatar had a magic resurrection card
>oh well he still cant go into the avatar state
>whoops lol avatar had a magic pebble
>still not as good of a bender as my dad
>whoops lol avatar has a magic turtle

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>Why didn't the Fire Nation wipe out the water tribe poles
Because it had only been a few weeks.
>Why was Ozai okay with the avatar getting killed when Zhao
Because the only threat to his current plans was still eliminated even if it wasn't done in the most efficient way.

One of the things Avatar gets praised for is how good the characters are, but that's not to say they, or the series, are intelligently written or that many of the things depicted make much logical sense.
>Why didn't the Fire Nation wipe out the water tribe poles after Zuko and Azula ""killed"" Aang?
That could make sense if you frame it as the Fire Nation wanting to hold up until the eclipse passed before doing anything and preffered using the Comet to make the final decesive attack on the Earth Kingdom, which is a bigger nut to crack just for its massive size.
A better question is:
Why hadn't they done so decades ago? The Siege of the North highlights that the Fire Nation had full capability of destroying the Water Tribe's capital in the North like they did in the South. So why didn't they? Earth Kingdom making a push back if they put too many resources in it wasn't much of a problem seeing how just Zhao and the fleet he gathered were enough to almost get the job done, being only stopped by Kaiju Fish Aang.
>Why was Ozai okay with the avatar getting killed when Zhao in Book 1 said he must be kept alive as long as possible so that he couldn't rencarnite and fuck up everyone again?
Why was Zhao ever preoccupied with not killing the Avatar to begin with? If he kills Aang, next Avatar is reborn into a baby, a Water Tribe baby, the people you're aiming to knock off the board right now. Even if you weren't able to capture or kill the new baby Avatar because he respawned somewhere else. What the fuck does it matter? By the time the next Avatar grows up to be a threat the Fire Nation would have won. At that point you can just hunt them down, kill them, repeat the proccess with the Earth Kindom Avatar and go to have your own Fire Nation supremacist Avatar.
TL;DR: Avatar is a kids show and what the characters do is not based on rational thinking or planning, but on being entertaining for a young audience.

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>Aang gets his powers back at the very last second by BUMPING INTO A ROCK
First episode of Book 3
>Katara: I can feel a lot of energy twisted up around there. [Begins to remove the water.] Let me just see if I can-
And then Aang had a Vietnam flashback of him dying and they never tried to fix all that twisted energy afterwards.

literally
BUMPS
INTO
A ROCK

>The extremely special water from literal spirtis given to Katara 19 episodes before
>In an episode that happens to be named "The Avatar State"
>Don't lose it!!!
>Whoops
>lol
>Magic resurrection card

Fuck off faggot, it couldn't be more anticipated.

>Magical water from the plot armor well

>sucks at waterbending through most of S1
>trains with Pakku for a couple of weeks
>is suddenly a master

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>Patriarchy makes the best teachers.

Azula losing is perfectly logical storytelling even if you removed her going crazy. Azula has always been the better of the two and one of the best Firebenders period. But Zuko has been constantly training and fighting in an attempt to improve himself, while outside her training, Azula has pretty much always fought people beneath her skill level. Azula started at the top and stayed there while Zuko rose to meet her. The Agni Kai fight is choreographed that Zuko isn't beating her, he's countering everything she does. Her attacking Katara to give herself an out was setup back in S2, when she attacked Iroh when confronted by Zuko and the Gaang; when she can't win she always diverts.

Her breakdown was contrived though. Given her personality, a much better avenue for her to breakdown would be to show that despite her aggressiveness and free-reign, she's very much a follower rather than a leader. Even under her dad as the now-reduced Fire Lord, the position requires way more self-drive and responsibility than she's used to and that without clear directions and goals she is kinda paralyzed. You can also throw on her being unable to effectively deal with courtiers and the politics of the Fire Nation court as before she's always functioned as a direct extension of her father, and now she's having to deal with people who see her as little more than a functionary.

That actually bothered the shit out of me. They made a big deal about how Katara doesn't learn nearly as fast as Aang, then

Remember in the first episode when she cracked open a glacier through sheer anger? Katara was always a powerful bender.

>I always thought the meshing of comedy and drama in the show was poorly done. The jokes would always drain the tension and the drama would always sour the humor instead of complimenting or enhancing each other.
reminds me of another show desu

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>Sucks at waterbending
Aang was just too good, he is the fucking avatar, of course compared to him, her bending would look lame

Sorry about that. They made a big deal about how Katara doesn't learn nearly as fast as Aang, then suddenly she's presented as one of the best waterbenders in the world. No more teaching required.

spirits* shit..

At the very least, the War should've been presented as way more even than it was. You're telling me men and women that can literally manipulate the Earth under your feet are having trouble defending themselves in regions that are mostly giant canyons?

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You sure we we're watching the same avatar series? Azula trained day and night, Zuko was the party boi who kept angsting about family drama, sipping tea with his uncle, kek.

> she's very much a follower rather than a leader.

She fucking overthrew ba sing sei and captured the earth kingdom by herself.... with zero interfference or commands from the home front. Troll harder.

The Earth Kingdom canonly has the lowest bender:nonbender ratio out of all the nations.

When was this established?

Living in the dirt = Earth Bender

Azula is training constantly and probably more than Zuko, idk what else you think she was doing all day while Zuko was fucking around
Really hate this zutard meme that zuko leveled himself up to meet Azula while she just stayed put despite her fighting obviously improving throughout the series as well
She also showed more competent leadership qualities than Zuko ever did and thats a fact

Ignoring all the power level bullshit that doesn't remotely matter:
1) The big one. A lot of Season 3 feels like complete filler when things should actually be ramping up towards their climax. I think this is mostly a problem of the mid-season climax with the Day of the Dark Sun and with the Subversion of Zuko not joining team Avatar, but a lot of the first half of season 3 is just spinning its wheels till Zuko joins the team and everyone gets decent character development by bouncing off him. Other than Sokka's Master and the Bloodbending episode, the charracters don't overly evolve much in the first half.
2) Toph. Toph is a fun character, but she doesn't actually have much depth. Her entire character progression is "Character who is good with her superpower gets even better at it." And that's over before season 2 ends. I suppose you could say she drops her parents, but 1) she already did basically in her first episode and 2) She goes back on that in other shit like the comics and LoK.
3) The oft-mentioned Deus ex machina rock. Not that Aang should have killed Ozai, his pacifism is great, but it's a cheap copout of a depowered (ish, he still kicks plenty of ass throughout the season) Aang plot. Lion turtle and energy bending are more subjective so I won't discuss them.

The rock triggering the Avatar State doesn't bother me nearly as much as just how much Aang and every Avatar needs the Avatar State to do well. Seriously, every impressive feat he has requires him going into rage mode with the glowing tattoo and the voice of the legion.

I'm reminded of how Justice League would've ended in a few minutes if Superman was alive the whole time. But Aang is both Superman and the League.

Azula spent all her time training in safe, controlled environments while Zuko was actually out fighting real people. When Azula actually stepped out into the real world, most of her fights were with scrubs. Furthermore, Zuko was consistently shown to be a highly competent and talented fighter, just an average firebender.

>Azula spent all her time training in safe, controlled environments while Zuko was actually out fighting real people.
Azulas training was enough to put her above pretty much everyone
>Furthermore, Zuko was consistently shown to be a highly competent and talented fighter, just an average firebender.
What does that have to do with anything

>a country that has unlimited fire power, a navy, metal ground-equipment, and air travel
>losing to some rice farmers that would Balkanise if the Viet Cong wasn't around

After watching the show again, I agree with the aang and katara sentiment. The romantic drama that came up pretty much only for ember island was weird.

>losing to some rice farmers that would Balkanise if the Viet Cong wasn't around
>Implying the support of the Soviet Union and China wasn't key for the Viet Cong's victory.
Historylet, please.

>Azula spent all her time training in safe, controlled environments
Episode and timestamp?

All those timeline anomalies like Kyoshi being 250 years old and Roku and Sozin having kids when they were 100.

The sexism stuff was really hamfisted. I didn’t like how the Northern Water Tribe’s customs were portrayed as completely unreasonable because real life gender roles never are.

>conflates any criticism of his poorly written ship with teenaged girls who haven't been a thing in over a decade
>Mai didn't like the Fire Nation
Yeah, so good thing she's marrying a a patriot who becomes king of the whole country and will live there for the rest of her life.

>Mai didn't take Zuko's shit
No one took Zuko's shit. Everyone from Aang, Azula, Sokka, Suki, etc. all shit-talked Zuko because he's an overeager socially awkward hothead. DId you forget Suki sarcastically commenting on how Zuko burned down her village? Katara straight up threatening to murder him? Sokka hitting him over the head with a boomerrang? Aang and Katara mocking his shitty jokes?

What Zuko didn't get from the majority of people was compassion and mercy. That's what made Iroh unique. In a world where his own father would publically maim him in front of a jeering crowd and his sneering sister, where an admiral twice his age tried to kill him in a duel, etc. Iroh treated Zuko like the child he was. He didn't resent Zuko's foibles and instead offered him forgiveness, room to grow, and the tenderness he didn't receive from anyone in his life since Ursa's disappearance.

And how does Mai respond? When Zuko is going home to see his abusive father for the first time in years, and expresses anxiety over it, she tells him to shut up. Do you honestly think Iroh would have behaved that way? Because telling Zuko to stop being such a whiny faggot seems much more like an Ozai move.

>wipe out the Water Tribes
They did, at least in the South. The North managed to hold them off for a century.

>Ozai okay with Aang being killed
I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean "why was Ozai cool with Aang's ostensible death at Zuko's hands in season three", I believe it was because the Avatar cycle ends when the Avatar is killed in the Avatar state.

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zuko liked mai because she had an attitude like his sister

>nowhere
I wouldn't say nowhere. Azula was a teenager who...
>was now in charge of an entire country
>was just betrayed by her two subordinates
>and that betrayal challenged her perception on the world
>ie. that violence and brute force is a more effective means of control than love
>her father, a man who has no hesitation about mauling his children in the past, is suddenly tossing her aside
All of those things are pretty distressing. When you consider that Azula already demonstrated an unhinged personality (her obsessive desire to be perfect and her previously discussed trauma of her mother), her going berserk makes sense.

>pretentious prick
I actually stand by Aang's pacifisim 100%, and I'm saying this as someone who generally has no moral objections to murder-as-punishment. I agree that Kataang was poorly executed and undermined Aang's moral development.

Pakku explicitly states that Katara worked insanely hard during their training period whereas Aang fucked off a lot. He actually side-eyes Aang but being lazy but gifted in the first episode of season 1.

I agree that all the main characters being super genius child benders is illogical, but I also find it suspicious that all of the characters have dramatic periods of rapid growth but the only one people complain about is Katara. Sokka became a sword master in, like, what, a day?

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Fair point!. But the Cong didn't take over US, US backed out, and Vietnam was supported by communist allies. Makes it slightly different.

Kataang ran counter to Aang's moral development. Whenever Katara was involved, the normally ethical and upstanding Aang became a jerk. Another user already said this pretty succinctly).

During the events of the Guru, Aang rushes back to Ba Sing Se because of a prediction of Katara's endangerment. Sokka and Toph ask him if he mastered the Avatar state, and Aang, who was just told that leaving could permanently sever his connection to the spirit world, lies and says yes.

Keep in mind that Sokka and Toph are about to be plunged into a dangerous situation with Aang, and now they believe, under false pretenses, that Aang can just go all crazy super Avatar powers at a moment's notice. It is not unrealistic for Sokka and Toph to have done something stupid or dangerous on the presumption that Aang could just Avatar their way out. He put the world and his friend's lives in danger because his crush MIGHT be in danger.

Even during the Ember Island Players, Aang shakes his head "yes" when the play actors describe Katara as his "girl". Katara says she's unsure about movign their relationship forward, and he whines and kisses her without consent. Katara's entire life has been characterised by people she loves being forced into dangerous situations because of the war - her parents and Bato being the most dramatic examples. Now, Aang wants Katara to start a romantic relationship with him days before he goes to fight the world's scariest Fire Bender.

Basically, Aang's love for Katara almost always made him act like a dick. If the writer's had found a way to make his love for her a redemptive force, I would have loved Kataang. Instead, Bryke's insistence on making Kataang canon resulted in Aang's character being ruined.

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>Why hadn't they done so decades ago? The Siege of the North highlights that the Fire Nation had full capability of destroying the Water Tribe's capital in the North like they did in the South.
The only reason they were winning the battle was because Zhao literally killed the source of waterbending. Iroh also told Zhao he wasn't gonna be able to do it with the fleet he brought.

cringe

So the one and only time they ever need to ressurrect somebody Katara just happens to be in possession of the one and only bag of Miracle Water in the entire series.

canon.
if he wanted the opposite of his sister he woulda picked Ty Lee.

Yes, a chekovs gun is a chekovs gun.
Why she didn't use it on Jet is a good question, but eh, whatever.